I'm April and new here hi everyone!

[Nyghtfall]

Hopefully, we will see Jenny and April back sooner or later, but the few idiots who scared them away have been dealt with here, including Sharpe and Jenny's stalker. They are banned for life from FF.

Blue

I just received a PM from Raphael on DD that he has all but decisively confirmed that NoseyApril was an imposter. He's been interacting with the real person on twitter just fine.

[Bluestone]

Still doesn't excuse his shoot-first-look-for-evidence-second-approach, and, of course, how he supposedly verifies his information is to communicate directly with someone on-line, just as a stalker would. Maybe DD will put up with his gunslinger mentality, but FF won't. I'm still trying to mend bridges with Jenny after an eager beaver like Raphael started communicating with her on-line. These idiots should rein in their impulse to inject themselves into the affairs of others like self-appointed Internet vigilantes!

Blue

[ikke21]

I haven't weighed in on this anymore because I see emotions ran high (understandably) and because, frankly, I don't want to get banned.

I know, Blue, that you had terrible experiences with actresses like Jenny and others getting cyberstalked. That is horrible, quite possibly criminal and certainly scarring for anyone even indirectly involved. And I can see how April's case reminded you of that, even if I think it is very different.

Much less importantly, I also think it is fine to have a policy where we don't call out catfishing on this website. After all, this is a fantasy forum, if someone wants to pretend to be a beautiful woman, all power to them. So, in the future, I will not say anything when I see a profile that strikes me as fake. (In April's case, I mentioned once, when talks of her appearing in a movie got serious, that I had my doubts she was real. I won't voice such doubts in the future.)

But, that said, I don't think referring to April as an impostor after Raphael found that instagram account was speculative. (I am not on DD, so I haven't seen it, but I take it this is a fair representation of what he found.) I didn't consider at the time that anyone might not be convinced by this evidence, which was insensitive of me. If I had considered it, I would have been more circumspect in my way of discussing my beliefs. But, objectively speaking, that find of the instagram account is extremely strong evidence of the April on this forum not being the woman in the picture. It is substantially stronger, and I say this without hyperbole, than somebody standing over a dead body with a smoking gun is evidence for them being the murderer. If you want, I can show you a calculation for why I believe that. (I won't give the calculation unprompted, to avoid the perception of further speculation.)

Finally, there was some mention of your (Blue's) integrity and professionalism. From what I have seen from you, especially how you discuss your actresses and your work with them, you strike me as a man of great integrity and consummate professionalism, insofar as I can say that about someone I never met. But this was never about that. If April is an impostor, the video was never going to happen. Even is you were somehow unscrupulous - again, I strongly believe that you're not - the video is just not possible if April isn't real.

[Bluestone]

Firstly, this issue is not about free speech. It is clear that this is a free speech board, and no one is going to be banned for speaking their mind. What is important to note is that outing any member on this board, actress or otherwise, by posting their real life details, is strictly forbidden. We come here to interact in a safe environment, and that is why we use fake usernames instead of our own names. Whether April was real or not is not the issue. The issue is that there are idiots like Raphael who do not belong on a safe board such as FF.

As for your smoking gun, let's all of us who want to keep our activity on this board a secret, visualize the dull-witted Raphael Sharpe posting on our social media site, or simply contacting us there where we interact with friends and family, and asking if we post on a female death fetish forum. How would we react? My guess is most of us will simply say, "No. That's definitely not me." So much for Sharpe being a keen investigator with ultra advanced investigative techniques. His so-called proof is nothing! He is a loose cannon and does not deserve to be on any forum and especially not this one.

Of course, if he'd let the professionals handle the April situation, we would all know whether she was real or fake, and 'yes' we couldn't film with her if she wasn't real. So, all the impatient Mr. Sharpe had to do was wait and see, not stick his nose where it never belonged!

He screwed up once. If the opportunity ever arises again, I don't want him screwing it up for everyone else again.

Blue

[xj900uk]

Firstly, this issue is not about free speech. It is clear that this is a free speech board, and no one is going to be banned for speaking their mind. What is important to note is that outing any member on this board, actress or otherwise, by posting their real life details, is strictly forbidden. We come here to interact in a safe environment, and that is why we use fake usernames instead of our own names. Whether April was real or not is not the issue. The issue is that there are idiots like Raphael who do not belong on a safe board such as FF.

As for your smoking gun, let's all of us who want to keep our activity on this board a secret, visualize the dull-witted Raphael Sharpe posting on our social media site, or simply contacting us there where we interact with friends and family, and asking if we post on a female death fetish forum. How would we react? My guess is most of us will simply say, "No. That's definitely not me." So much for Sharpe being a keen investigator with ultra advanced investigative techniques. His so-called proof is nothing! He is a loose cannon and does not deserve to be on any forum and especially not this one.

Of course, if he'd let the professionals handle the April situation, we would all know whether she was real or fake, and 'yes' we couldn't film with her if she wasn't real. So, all the impatient Mr. Sharpe had to do was wait and see, not stick his nose where it never belonged!

He screwed up once. If the opportunity ever arises again, I don't want him screwing it up for everyone else again.

Blue

He could simply have contacted you privately behind the scenes with his reservations, Blue, rather than climb to the top of the nearest roof with his loud-hailer. Surprised he did not try the more 'subtle' approach, which is always open and available for all FF members.

[Nyghtfall]

Edit: Post removed.

[Totallibertarianism]

When for the first time I saw the posts of "April Nosey", I was again little surprised as I never met young women who are "enjoying a lot" to be with us (the death fetish fans), I know many women who are working as models for us but the vast majority of them are only doing this for money and working, never for fun or for free.

The prostitutes and the escorts that I met with friends were the same, often very strict in rules, first the money and then the offer. I never dared to talk my true fetish with them as it could cause problems even if you pay them a lot...

[jhsnuff]

He could simply have contacted you privately behind the scenes with his reservations, Blue, rather than climb to the top of the nearest roof with his loud-hailer. Surprised he did not try the more 'subtle' approach, which is always open and available for all FF members.

Exactly. But an imposter would not have taken any steps to contact Blue, let alone ask to be in a movie.

[jhsnuff]

I have a story that I would like Alice to read (imposter or not). Since it stars her, I won't post it without her permission. If anyone has a way to contact her (without breaching her privacy of course), please let me know so I can send it to you and you can send it to her. Thanks!

[Xukpi]

This thread should be closed now.

[SSkykingDA]

This thread should be closed now.

I agree.

[ikke21]

Firstly, this issue is not about free speech. It is clear that this is a free speech board, and no one is going to be banned for speaking their mind. What is important to note is that outing any member on this board, actress or otherwise, by posting their real life details, is strictly forbidden. We come here to interact in a safe environment, and that is why we use fake usernames instead of our own names. Whether April was real or not is not the issue. The issue is that there are idiots like Raphael who do not belong on a safe board such as FF.

As for your smoking gun, let's all of us who want to keep our activity on this board a secret, visualize the dull-witted Raphael Sharpe posting on our social media site, or simply contacting us there where we interact with friends and family, and asking if we post on a female death fetish forum. How would we react? My guess is most of us will simply say, "No. That's definitely not me." So much for Sharpe being a keen investigator with ultra advanced investigative techniques. His so-called proof is nothing! He is a loose cannon and does not deserve to be on any forum and especially not this one.

Of course, if he'd let the professionals handle the April situation, we would all know whether she was real or fake, and 'yes' we couldn't film with her if she wasn't real. So, all the impatient Mr. Sharpe had to do was wait and see, not stick his nose where it never belonged!

He screwed up once. If the opportunity ever arises again, I don't want him screwing it up for everyone else again.

Blue

I'm glad of the commitment to free speech. :)

Like I said, I think it is perfectly fair to have a rule on this forum against calling out catfishing. I will happily abide by it from now on. But I do think that violating that rule is much less serious than cyberstalking and that what Mr. Sharpe did is much closer to the former than the latter.

Let me explain my smoking gun. So Blue is exactly right that the fact that the instagram model denies her involvement with this forum is proof of nothing. Why? Well, we have two competing theories: 1. that April is real and that instagram model and 2. that April is an impostor with no relation to the instagram model. Under both hypotheses we would expect the model to deny her involvement. So this fact does not provide evidence either way between the two hypotheses. (Formally, the Bayes factor is 1, the outcome is equally likely under both hypotheses. The higher the Bayes factor, the stronger the evidence for the first hypothesis.)

The smoking gun is this. When all we knew about April was that they presented themselves as a beautiful woman, Mr. Sharpe found a (moderately?) famous instagram model who looked exactly like the woman in April's picture. Under the hypothesis that April is an impostor, this is very likely. Such an impostor would have found a set of varied pictures of an attractive woman, so that they could post a few pictures over time. Let's say the probability is no less than 10% (I am being very conservative, I think it is at least 90%). On the other hand, under the hypothesis that April is real and the woman in her picture, the following facts would now have to coincidentally also be true: 1) April is a moderately famous instagram model. 2) April is concerned for her privacy and sufficiently tech savvy to be an instagram model, but is willing to use the photos of her very public and moderately famous instagram profile to show us here, without disclosing said profile to us. I'm not sure I listed all coincidences, but these are pretty salient. Now, it is hard to estimate these probabilities, but they are small.

For example, 1), the probability a beautiful woman randomly happens to be a moderately famous instagram model, can hardly exceed 1 in 1000. I know many attractive women and no instagram models. More formally, let's say there are about 1 billion women on the Western hemisphere and about 1% of them are attractive enough to be instagram models, so about 10 million. There are surely not more than 10,000 moderately famous instagram models. That gives a 1 in 1000 chance of 1). 2) is even harder to estimate. April would have to display a pretty unusual combination of wordly and naive. Let's ballpark it at 100 to 1. That gives a Bayes factor of 10,000 in favour of the impostor hypothesis. (Stronger than many a smoking gun.)

I'll admit my estimates are pretty rough. But that is the point. If you take my numbers at face value, you would have to increase the odds of April being an impostor by a factor of 10,000. You can lower that factor if you quibble with my numbers, but it is never not going to be a large number.

Now, even before the instagram find, I put the odds of April being real at 100 to 1 against. (I'm cynical, I guess.) But, even if you are much more trusting and optimistic than I, the instagram find should strongly sway your opinion.

By the way, I'm not necessarily excusing Mr. Sharpe's behaviour. I don't know how he found the instragram model; it is possible he crossed lines there. I don't know if it was a good idea to contact the instagram model directly. (That seems like a very complicated question to me.) Maybe he should have contacted Blue privately. (Although I am not sure why Blue has a privileged status in that regard.) But I do not share the optimism that this issue would have been resolved if we let the professionals handle it. If April is an impostor, they would have had no trouble coming up with an excuse to back out of the video. Every sign points to impostor April being quite clever. The whole thing would have fizzled out exactly like it did now. (In fact, the fact that April was willing to appear in a video is strong evidence in favour of the impostor hypothesis: if April were a real instagram model concerned for her privacy, she would have never agreed to a video.)

Finally, let me repeat that, if one is still unconvinced by the evidence, there is a simple trick to determine nearly conclusively whether April really is the woman in the pictures. Ask the April on this forum to provide a photo of herself that is clearly not from her instagram account. For example, a picture where she is touching her nose and ear with the fingers of the same hand or something unusual like that. This would be impossible for an impostor to provide. But, if April were real, she would gladly produce it, if only to clear her name and show us what fools we have been.

[SSkykingDA]

Firstly, this issue is not about free speech. It is clear that this is a free speech board, and no one is going to be banned for speaking their mind. What is important to note is that outing any member on this board, actress or otherwise, by posting their real life details, is strictly forbidden. We come here to interact in a safe environment, and that is why we use fake usernames instead of our own names. Whether April was real or not is not the issue. The issue is that there are idiots like Raphael who do not belong on a safe board such as FF.

As for your smoking gun, let's all of us who want to keep our activity on this board a secret, visualize the dull-witted Raphael Sharpe posting on our social media site, or simply contacting us there where we interact with friends and family, and asking if we post on a female death fetish forum. How would we react? My guess is most of us will simply say, "No. That's definitely not me." So much for Sharpe being a keen investigator with ultra advanced investigative techniques. His so-called proof is nothing! He is a loose cannon and does not deserve to be on any forum and especially not this one.

Of course, if he'd let the professionals handle the April situation, we would all know whether she was real or fake, and 'yes' we couldn't film with her if she wasn't real. So, all the impatient Mr. Sharpe had to do was wait and see, not stick his nose where it never belonged!

He screwed up once. If the opportunity ever arises again, I don't want him screwing it up for everyone else again.

Blue

I'm glad of the commitment to free speech. :)

Like I said, I think it is perfectly fair to have a rule on this forum against calling out catfishing. I will happily abide by it from now on. But I do think that violating that rule is much less serious than cyberstalking and that what Mr. Sharpe did is much closer to the former than the latter.

Let me explain my smoking gun. So Blue is exactly right that the fact that the instagram model denies her involvement with this forum is proof of nothing. Why? Well, we have two competing theories: 1. that April is real and that instagram model and 2. that April is an impostor with no relation to the instagram model. Under both hypotheses we would expect the model to deny her involvement. So this fact does not provide evidence either way between the two hypotheses. (Formally, the Bayes factor is 1, the outcome is equally likely under both hypotheses. The higher the Bayes factor, the stronger the evidence for the first hypothesis.)

The smoking gun is this. When all we knew about April was that they presented themselves as a beautiful woman, Mr. Sharpe found a (moderately?) famous instagram model who looked exactly like the woman in April's picture. Under the hypothesis that April is an impostor, this is very likely. Such an impostor would have found a set of varied pictures of an attractive woman, so that they could post a few pictures over time. Let's say the probability is no less than 10% (I am being very conservative, I think it is at least 90%). On the other hand, under the hypothesis that April is real and the woman in her picture, the following facts would now have to coincidentally also be true: 1) April is a moderately famous instagram model. 2) April is concerned for her privacy and sufficiently tech savvy to be an instagram model, but is willing to use the photos of her very public and moderately famous instagram profile to show us here, without disclosing said profile to us. I'm not sure I listed all coincidences, but these are pretty salient. Now, it is hard to estimate these probabilities, but they are small.

For example, 1), the probability a beautiful woman randomly happens to be a moderately famous instagram model, can hardly exceed 1 in 1000. I know many attractive women and no instagram models. More formally, let's say there are about 1 billion women on the Western hemisphere and about 1% of them are attractive enough to be instagram models, so about 10 million. There are surely not more than 10,000 moderately famous instagram models. That gives a 1 in 1000 chance of 1). 2) is even harder to estimate. April would have to display a pretty unusual combination of wordly and naive. Let's ballpark it at 100 to 1. That gives a Bayes factor of 10,000 in favour of the impostor hypothesis. (Stronger than many a smoking gun.)

I'll admit my estimates are pretty rough. But that is the point. If you take my numbers at face value, you would have to increase the odds of April being an impostor by a factor of 10,000. You can lower that factor if you quibble with my numbers, but it is never not going to be a large number.

Now, even before the instagram find, I put the odds of April being real at 100 to 1 against. (I'm cynical, I guess.) But, even if you are much more trusting and optimistic than I, the instagram find should strongly sway your opinion.

By the way, I'm not necessarily excusing Mr. Sharpe's behaviour. I don't know how he found the instragram model; it is possible he crossed lines there. I don't know if it was a good idea to contact the instagram model directly. (That seems like a very complicated question to me.) Maybe he should have contacted Blue privately. (Although I am not sure why Blue has a privileged status in that regard.) But I do not share the optimism that this issue would have been resolved if we let the professionals handle it. If April is an impostor, they would have had no trouble coming up with an excuse to back out of the video. Every sign points to impostor April being quite clever. The whole thing would have fizzled out exactly like it did now. (In fact, the fact that April was willing to appear in a video is strong evidence in favour of the impostor hypothesis: if April were a real instagram model concerned for her privacy, she would have never agreed to a video.)

Finally, let me repeat that, if one is still unconvinced by the evidence, there is a simple trick to determine nearly conclusively whether April really is the woman in the pictures. Ask the April on this forum to provide a photo of herself that is clearly not from her instagram account. For example, a picture where she is touching her nose and ear with the fingers of the same hand or something unusual like that. This would be impossible for an impostor to provide. But, if April were real, she would gladly produce it, if only to clear her name and show us what fools we have been.

She owes you nothing. Your continued insistence that she prove herself, is sufficient reason for Blue to kick you off this board. You idiots have learned NOTHING!

[ikke21]

She owes you nothing. Your continued insistence that she prove herself, is sufficient reason for Blue to kick you off this board. You idiots have learned NOTHING!

Nobody here owes me anything. I insisted on no actions from anyone. I pointed out an easy route to clear up any confusion, should April have that desire.

It's Blue's board and he has every right to kick me off for whatever reason he likes. But it would be disappointing in light of his recently reiterated commitment to free speech and the fact that I have done nothing but explain my reasoning and point out facts. I demanded nothing and, unlike you, did not put words in anyone's mouth. (Edit: corrected a typo.)

[Bluestone]

I will leave this thread open. It will die a natural death when it's talked itself out.

As for April proving who she is, that's unlikely. She bolted and the chances of her doing a video for us now is 1 in 1,000,000. I won't go into how I arrived that that calculation. Suffice it to say that she'd have to be crazy to reveal herself in a video knowing that some people in this community will not rest until they have posted everywhere that a certain social media influencer had done a death fetish video. LOL!

Blue