Re: Superkick vs. Wonderkick! (NOW AVAILABLE)

[rayman]

I've always liked the idea of the heroines getting double crossed in some way. Something like either Wonderkick or Darkwing is working with the other operatives to bring in the other heroine. Once they have her subdued, the men go to terminate her. The allied heroine protests and intervenes so the make operative turn on her and both are taken down and out.

as far as specific elements, I don't have certain things I look for so I am not the best person to ask. I like more brutal fights though with the heroines taking a beating either from each other or the men. can go for either strangling or stabbing. will say, my issue with the stabbing/shooting is they end too quick. perhaps a scene where the heroine is stabbed and staggers back in shock, then is stabbed again and slumps to the floor to be finished off by a third stabbing. same thing with shootings. like the alien queen in the first Supernova vid. having her shot and holding the wound as she is in pain and then finished off with one or two more shots would have, IMO, been better.

Totally agree about the stabbing and shooting elements I was gutted when the gorgeous alien queen went down so quickly with a single shot.
I know Darkwing and Wonderkick are not superpowered so a lot easier to kill than real superheroines but take Wondra for examle I would love to see take multiple bulet wounds, each one stagering her and causing he rpain but being an amazon she can handle a lot of damage an dpain so remains defiant and tries to fight on ony to take another bullet so we see her gradually weaken and fall until she tries to get up but crashes back down where she can be finished off or die a slow sensual death.

[superbia1987]

I have a couple of ideas. darkwing could have a quick, one-use gas pellet in her glove for a sticky situation, maybe wonderkick has her in a sleeper. also could be a poison which soaks through the skin. gets blasted in the face, fine at first but slowly wears down, although darkwing would pick her apart rather quickly then unless she's already relatively injured herself. in which case it could even things out. Also what if you stabbed one of them in the back this time, obviously you can follow up with a frontal stab, I imagine the deeper stabbing fans would be disappointed otherwise. But you could pull a good surprise angle from it. I feel like if you could get some really nice footage of some more advanced grappling, you know, fast paced like a superheroine would do could be cool. However I understand how difficult that could be. Ultimately though, I can't come up with anything right now other than the gas in the glove idea, but Blue, I think a good move for you here could be to think gadgets, at least on darkwings side. Don't overplay them but one or two really well done good gadgets would really turn some heads. lol I hope someone had some ideas for wonderkick, I keep thinking melee, other than that I've got nothing.

[superbia1987]

I've always liked the idea of the heroines getting double crossed in some way. Something like either Wonderkick or Darkwing is working with the other operatives to bring in the other heroine. Once they have her subdued, the men go to terminate her. The allied heroine protests and intervenes so the make operative turn on her and both are taken down and out.

as far as specific elements, I don't have certain things I look for so I am not the best person to ask. I like more brutal fights though with the heroines taking a beating either from each other or the men. can go for either strangling or stabbing. will say, my issue with the stabbing/shooting is they end too quick. perhaps a scene where the heroine is stabbed and staggers back in shock, then is stabbed again and slumps to the floor to be finished off by a third stabbing. same thing with shootings. like the alien queen in the first Supernova vid. having her shot and holding the wound as she is in pain and then finished off with one or two more shots would have, IMO, been better.

Totally agree about the stabbing and shooting elements I was gutted when the gorgeous alien queen went down so quickly with a single shot.
I know Darkwing and Wonderkick are not superpowered so a lot easier to kill than real superheroines but take Wondra for examle I would love to see take multiple bulet wounds, each one stagering her and causing he rpain but being an amazon she can handle a lot of damage an dpain so remains defiant and tries to fight on ony to take another bullet so we see her gradually weaken and fall until she tries to get up but crashes back down where she can be finished off or die a slow sensual death.

I like your style.

[angleman67]

I'm with Rayman.
In some respects it's really frustrating that the gorgeous Destiny only gets to play a side kick and thus can't demonstrate any of the famous WW skills like playing bullets and bracelets.
I'd love to see Wonderkick and Darkwing arrive at the gate keepers hideout having been following separate leads. They try tell each other to back off so they can each claim they brought the GK to justice and it ends up with them in a fight. Lots of kicks and punches etc.
As they're fighting a gate keeper enter and surprised to find the two women knocking each other around they sit back and enjoy the show.
But the two heroines, realising they are both in trouble if they don't work together., communicate secretly to each other and suddenly launch an attack on the GK.
Easily taking him down between them, they stand over him realising that in fact it is possible for them to work together and that perhaps they CAN share the spoils, two more Gate Keepers burst in and the mother if all fights take place.
Wonderkick and Darkwing are simply out numbered and out matched and take the beating of thier lives, (preferably with some costume destruction but if not possible, at least their boobs out!).
With the two heroines barely able to stand and being held by the GKs.,one of the GK produces Wondra's lasso and wraps it around a struggling Wonderkick. Unable to resist its magical influence she is ordered to throttle Darkwing with the lasso. Unable to resist the order she strangles Darkwing to death with plenty of sexy leg thrashing from Yvonne and her pleading Wonderkick to resist the influence of the lasso. But it it to no avail and with Darkwing dead, Wonderkick is distraught at what she has done. She tries to valiantly take revenge by attempting to take on all three of the GateKeepers but she again is taken apart by them.
Finally she is pushed up against the wall and the Gatekeepers mock how, if she is supposed to be like Wondra, then she must be able to play bullets and bracelets - right?
Her eyes open wide as she knows she is only a fan and doesn't have the ability to stop bullets with her bracelets but the three GateKeepers all draw guns and open fire. She squirms sexily and her body writhes as she takes multiple bullets in her chest. Finally she slides down the wall wide eyed, covered in bullet wounds, and ends up propped against the wall, legs spread.

Well....you did ask for suggestions, right?

[Director B]

Hey thanks guys for your suggestions, some we can't do because of story tie ups connected to season 2. It's nice to see you guys taking an interest.

[16 Blueman52]

I also would like to see the gatekeepers involved in Wonderkick and Darkwings defeat or demise. Definitely have to have both heroines topless! Is it possible to have their assets exposed while they are still fighting? Whatever you guys come up with I know will be great.These are my two favorite heroines!!

[rayman]

I also would like to see the gatekeepers involved in Wonderkick and Darkwings defeat or demise. Definitely have to have both heroines topless! Is it possible to have their assets exposed while they are still fighting? Whatever you guys come up with I know will be great.These are my two favorite heroines!!

Yes most definitely I would also love to see Yvonnes lovely legs on show too, in fact why not have her groggy and semi conscious so a gatekeeper can remove some of her outfit so when she revives she attacks in arage only to finally loose the fight...totally.

If anyone wonders why I am obsessed with Yvonnes legs check out Darkwing Civilian Guise

[Director B]

Again thanks for the suggestions, very interesting what you guys say on this board, there were a few people on the Heroine Movies board that said we do to much strangling in our videos, in the Super heroine forum boards they seem to like more porn and rape stuff - which we'll never do but here's a question, do you guys have anymore fight moves you'd love to see in our movies? Yes we can go on forever doing backbreakers, bear hugs, low blows, choke outs, stranglings, etc, but does anyone have any suggestions on stuff we haven't see before, i.e. I think we are the only ones that do throat chops, anything else you guys have seen on film or TV you'd like to see in the fights that hasn't been done in our super heroine movies? Don't be shy now, that includes you lurkers out there :-)

[xj900uk]

I know you said you can't do a dunk drowning, but how about an eye-gouging or digging thumbs into eyes during the catfight?

[rayman]

Again thanks for the suggestions, very interesting what you guys say on this board, there were a few people on the Heroine Movies board that said we do to much strangling in our videos, in the Super heroine forum boards they seem to like more porn and rape stuff - which we'll never do but here's a question, do you guys have anymore fight moves you'd love to see in our movies? Yes we can go on forever doing backbreakers, bear hugs, low blows, choke outs, stranglings, etc, but does anyone have any suggestions on stuff we haven't see before, i.e. I think we are the only ones that do throat chops, anything else you guys have seen on film or TV you'd like to see in the fights that hasn't been done in our super heroine movies? Don't be shy now, that includes you lurkers out there :-)

This is tough for me as I am big on stomach punching and midsection torture.
Over the knee backbreakers where the heroines midsection i stetched so it is nice and taut when it is punched, clawed and a good move is the overhead two handed smash to the midsection which causes the heroine a lot of pain and make her raise her head up whilst grasping her stomach but only making the aggressor grab her throat and stretch the heroine back out
Kidney punches when a heroine is slammed up against a wall is good too and a little trickle of blood from the corner of th emouth is always cool.

A heroine on all fours trying o escape always takes side and rib kicks nicely and body/midsection stomping/standing on is another nice move.

Exploiting a wounded or weakened area is good as is taking out one leg if the heroine is proving too tough to beat in a fair fight, a concentrated thigh or knee attack can severly slow a heroine down and take some of the fight out of her.
Also I know Darkwing has a utility belt so should easily take out Wonderkick but WK is supposed to be a secret agent so surely when going out as a vigilante she woul dbe "tooled up" LOL! At least a concealed derringer and or one of those collapseable nightstick thingys thatjust seem to self extend when you shake them.

[Director B]

I know you said you can't do a dunk drowning, but how about an eye-gouging or digging thumbs into eyes during the catfight?

We did the digging thumbs into eyes in this one, it's after the bear hug.

[Darklord1]

Angleman67 - I love your idea. I think it would work nicely with only one Gatekeeper, as below...

I'd love to see Wonderkick and Darkwing arrive at the gate keepers hideout having been following separate leads. They try tell each other to back off so they can each claim they brought the GK to justice and it ends up with them in a fight. Lots of kicks and punches etc.
As they're fighting a gate keeper enter and surprised to find the two women knocking each other around they sit back and enjoy the show. ......

..... With the two heroines barely able to stand ........,one of the GK produces Wondra's lasso and wraps it around a struggling Wonderkick. Unable to resist its magical influence she is ordered to throttle Darkwing with the lasso. Unable to resist the order she strangles Darkwing to death with plenty of sexy leg thrashing from Yvonne and her pleading Wonderkick to resist the influence of the lasso. But it it to no avail and with Darkwing dead, Wonderkick is distraught at what she has done. She tries to valiantly take revenge by attempting to take on ..... the GateKeeper but she again is taken apart by (him).
Finally she is pushed up against the .........

... desk and the Gatekeeper stabs her in the guts, taking delight in her agony as he twists the knife each time. She flops back on the desk, squirming sensually. The Gatekeeper stabs her several more times. Wonderkick is almost out when he lifts her head, gently places the knife against her throat, and with a smile, cuts her throat. Wonderkick spasms several times as she slowly collapses back onto the desk and dies.

The ending reminiscent of the old UKSG clip "Penelope Lewis Stabs Wonder Woman" - one of my all time favourite UKSG clips :).

Thinking of that - a re-make of "Penelope Lewis vs Wonder Woman" with Destiny as WW would be great, Blue :) :P

An alternate ending would be for the Gatekeeper to then use the lasso to hang Wonderkick.

As for fight moves, I love the throat chops - keep them up :).

Eye gouging - yes - like xj900uk, I hadn't noticed it in the video. For some viscous work on the eyes, check out this clip - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIoCyoW3ZMI

For one of the best f/f fights I can think of, it's hard to go past this from "Bail Enforcers" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLwqIpGBtSc - an awesome fight - the only thing that would make it better is if the girls were more sexily dressed - Wonderkick vs Superkick for instance :P I love the quick-fire hits at 1:56 to 2:03 and 2:09 to 2:22 :)

[xj900uk]

I know you said you can't do a dunk drowning, but how about an eye-gouging or digging thumbs into eyes during the catfight?

We did the digging thumbs into eyes in this one, it's after the bear hug.

Thanx I didn't know that, perhaps I will buy it after all!!!

[Director B]

Some good suggestions - Eye gouging yes we've did it, I'll talk to the director and ask him if he can include it, the Bail Enforcers clip, those girls are martial arts trained. Remember we are dealing with models here, they don't know how to throw or sell a punch nor sell taking a punch. So it's down to the editor and the director to make sure it looks like they're martial arts trained. I'm looking for something new, a new move that's do able within the time we have, you guys have only mentioned what other productions have done in their videos. Our videos do very well but there's always room for improvement. Keep your suggestions coming.

[Darklord1]

...... the Bail Enforcers clip, those girls are martial arts trained.

Yes - certainly the blond is a pro wrestler. I wasn't really suggesting you do the throws - that would need some seriously trained talent.

Remember we are dealing with models here, they don't know how to throw or sell a punch nor sell taking a punch. So it's down to the editor and the director to make sure it looks like they're martial arts trained.

I fully appretiate the limitations. It seems to me both the girls and the production team have been doing an excellent job so far. I was particularly impressed with Destiny's efforts in "Wonderkick". If the fights were weak or unconvincing, I wouldn't still be here buying the videos. 'Selling" fight moves is all about the girls getting the timing right and the right reactions, and the director and cameraman getting the right camera angles to make it look convincing.

I'm looking for something new, a new move that's do able within the time we have, you guys have only mentioned what other productions have done in their videos. Our videos do very well but there's always room for improvement. Keep your suggestions coming.

Hmmm - still thinking - most fight moves that you don't see often are that way because they require trained stunt artists to execute effectively or safely.