Is 'Hardcore Sex' Coupled With 'Violence' Illegal???

[Dr Don]

Don,

I would suggest that you take a deep breath, count to 10, and re-read this thread again as I have.

Why do you assume I haven't re read it more than you have?
Why do you keep coming back with this condescending attitude with me?
Just who the hell do you think you are giving me advice?
I will tell you the same thing I tell KHP, and Max5s....if you want my respect, then dam well start showing me some respect and stop with these condescending remarks.

There has been no unprovoked attack against you.

False.
You said that once and I proved you wrong. I asked you if you want more proof.
Why didn't you respond to my posts?
Why are you ignoring my responses to your false assumptions?

You don't have to take my advice, but I'm certainly free to give it.

What makes you think I need your advice? More assumptions.

My advice to you is: you live in this fantasy world too much and it's distorting your perception of reality, so get away from it once in a while and get connected with people in the real world....like me for example. I'm sure we could learn a lot from each other if you did that.

I have much more experience in the law than you do, and I could feel far more insulted by your comments than you have a right to feel insulted by Paul's opinions.

If you are a lawyer, then you have more experience with practicing your particular field of law, but that does not mean you know more than me about the obscenity law, or my case. The FACT is: I do know more about the obscenity law, and my case, than you do. That makes me the expert, not you.

You have NO right to feel insulted by that, because you know dam well that obscenity law and criminal law is not your area of practice, and you certainly know little about my case. I have met plenty of lawyers that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to obscenity law and my case. Order copies of all the transcripts from the Fort Frances Court Office and read all of it 5 or 6 times while making notes and studying the relevant case law....then come to me and show me what you know. You have ZERO right to be offended and I'm insulted by your remarks. AND you have Zero right to comment on what I know about my case of the Crown's side of it. Being that you are a lawyer, you should no better than to make those comments.

I'm not demanding an apology from you, but I am asking that you show my members and I a modicum of respect.

I don't owe you an apology and you won't get one. It's that simple. And you seem to forget that I am a member too....and I should be given the same respect as any other member.

You owe me an apology for making the comments about me and my case....which are false, prejudicial, and insulting.

KHP owes me an apology. He gets my disgust, not my respect. As for the members you refer to, who blindly side with KHP, I owe them nothing either. They are victims of their own ignorance for following and siding with a troublemaker.

I have ensured that you have had a forum for your opinions and your beliefs on violent porn.

Let's not forget that you pulled this topic from the DS board. You didn't do it for me, you did it for other reasons. You did nothing for me but cause me more prejudice and harm with your false statements concerning me, KHP, and my case.

No one has attacked you,

I gave you the evidence that proves I was attacked and I asked you if you wanted more. Do you want more evidence or not? I already proved you wrong. But I can give you more if you want.

I made three separate posts concerning three comments you made. I consider all of those a personal attack because they based on reckless false assumptions, false conclusions, inaccuracies, and things your really shouldn't be discussing on a public forum because you don't know what you are talking about and because you are a lawyer and should no better.

One of the comments you made is that no one has attacked me. Then you make that same comment two more times after I prove you wrong....what's that all about Blue? You certainly have a way of insulting me!!

The comment you made about me only seeing one side was another particularly disturbing one. What's your response to my post on that?

but you have been through a lot, you remember past arguments from another forum, and I can understand that you are reacting accordingly, but I am asking you to please re-consider the brawl that you are aching for with Paul (KHP), shelve it, and let's get back to positive discussions on a topic that all three of us basically agree upon.
Blue

You are blaming the wrong person Blue. Blame your pal KHP and stop giving him a licence to carry on with his foolishness. What you are doing by not trimming his wings is giving him your consent to act like a moron.

You have shown disrespect to senior citizens on this site and now you show disrespect for me. You allow KHP to be disrespectful, and then you have the nerve to tell me I;m to blame. Gut fucking real man.

It's clear to me that you want to be the one giving all the advice and you are too proud to accept advice from others. You have the nerve to treat Pennpaul like a child and ban him. Pennpaul was of the highest qaulity member this forum ever had.....a 69 year old army vet....well respected amoung his peers in the military....and he comes on here and you treat him like shit by giving KHP license to shit on him. You have no credibility to talk to me about respect when you shit on my friends, and then shit on me with your condescening attitude and ill informed comments about me and my case.

If anyone owes anyone an apology it's KHP and you who owe me the apology.

<Shakes his head in disgust>.

[tOkie]

I have gone back over every post in this thread. What I am seeing is Dr. Don's very first post, he begins to disparage producers that are making the kind of productions that John Matrix refers to in the original post from the other board.

In that first post, Dr. Don mentions two names, John Matrix, obviously a friend, and John M. From that point onward, there are no other producers that he names in relation to the statement that he originally posted.

Since there was no clear person, other than John M, that Dr. Don was alluding to, Paul replied that he perceived Dr. Don's comments to be degrading. Dr. Don's next post was telling Paul that he "...never named anyone's work in particular...", then proceeded to attack Paul. Paul didn't retaliate to the attack, he simply asked for clarification from Dr. Don.


Some other observations I believe are quite revealing, from this thread.

Not once had Dr. Don ever called Paul by his name, preferring instead, to dismiss him by calling him KHP. That, in itself, speaks volumes re: his own demand for return of respect. I noted that Dr. Don mentioned only a few people by name in this thread, leading me to question more, his tactics in referring to Paul by only his business name.

Too soon after the attack on Paul, Dr. Don devolved into using obscene descriptives to emphasize his position. Of course, once a person begins to have to resort to that, the seemingly inevitable loss of control begins to rear it's ugly head. It , indeed, did happen with some well placed references as to what Paul should do to himself. Those coming well after his obvious and perverse (re: "...people that need the beating your ole man never gave you...") attempt to get Paul to sink to that level of response.

Couple all of these disparaging remarks, with the nearly mirrored remarks spewed by John Matrix on the thread over at the other board, and you have nothing but two people trying to defend their point of view by intimidation.

And now, going on what Bellystabs has written here, I can understand, though I certainly do not agree with, why John Matrix has not been given a "vacation" form that other board.

The truly sad thing, to me, is that this is some kind of legal battle that should bring everyone together, not rip certain factions apart.

[Dr Don]

I never named anyone's work in particular, so go make yourself useful and lick your balls somewhere pup.

Yeah, well let me go on record now as saying I do not, repeat, do NOT think JohnM's work is trash or garbage or any of those other words used to describe it just now and I believe that talk to be degrading as well. I just happen to think it's a bad idea enlight of things. I know JohnM could sale just as well without doing it so I wish he just would. I personally can not wait to see his new stab video he's promised!

And that was who threw the first stone. That was the first personal insult posted. Criticism of someone's work, or their opinions, is always OK in a discussion. Personal insults are not. They are the weapon of someone who is not able to give a reasoned reply.

Calling someone a pup and telling them to go off and lick their balls is a real serious insult.....give me a break....you have no idea about the insults that prick has thrown my way.

When you understand why I said that, then you will see the error in your conclusion. I said that because:

1. KHP has attacked me in the past and he has never apologized
2. KHP made a false statement, as I already stated, and as Dalila has eloquently stated in my defence.

So Smudger, I have nothing against you. You have no reason to attack me by throwing your ill informed false conclusion onto this forum in a futile effort to support a person who is well known to be a troublemaker on this forum as well as others.

Don't go out of your way to make me your enemy please. Get your facts straight so you don't look like another moron on this board.

[smudger]

I forgot to comment on the subject matter of this thread, what with all the excitement!

I am not going to say that one faction is right and the other is wrong. What it is about, is a strange perversion, which within the overall umbrella, has a wide variety of sub groups. Thus, I only want shooting, I don't want to see asphyx, though I get the impression that is a more common preference.

I don't like any hard core at all, certainly not necro- so I don't buy it if it has it, unless it otherwise presses all the right buttons in which case I fast forward it. So all I usually get, is a rather more explicit version of something that I could see in any spy or police movie.

That's why I get most of my clips from Blue, KHP, Hank, and, yes, I have quite an extensive collection of Dr Don stuff too. It's partly why I rarely buy from JohnM or ChrisB, the other reason for that being the death scenes in theirs are usually much too quick for my liking.

However, it's plain that for many others, it is the hardcore element that is important. I don't place any great store on the "polls" because the sample is so small, and its a voluntary vote. I make no criticism of either those that like it that way, nor of producers who give people what they ask for. I don't think that is what John Matrix set out to do.

Rather, he voiced the concern that by combining porn with death, might bring the attentions of some group of far right religious nutters (they don't only exist in Iran) down on the industry as a whole; in the same way as happened in U.K. There, it took just one person aided by a lot of media attention.

All it wants is for one of the customers of the aforesaid porn producers to actually murder someone and then try to avoid getting fried by blaming it on the films. That could so easily happen and I believe that is a legitimate concern.

Equally, I accept that perhaps my opinion will be coloured by my own preferences. And it took just one major shooting incident in the UK to prompt the Government to ride the backlash by banning all handguns.

[Dr Don]

From the articles I've read, Don, unless I'm mistaken, I am much older than you. I appreciate the compliment though.

What articles? How old are you?

[tOkie]

You don't ever hear a lawyer say, "Judge, the prosecution is a jack ass and should shut the fuck up!!!!" Blue

This isn't a court room Blue, and KHP is not worthy of my respect at this time. Please don't preach to me about court room conduct. For you to even think for one second that I need advice from you on conduct is insulting. This is a forum, not a court room. If you want to preach conduct, preach it to KHP. I suggest you read back over the forum, and keep in mind KHP's past attacks on me....which I have never received an apology for by the way.

Now you told me KHP would not bother me, and the first chance he got....he was right under my skin....as posted and quoted above.....how I responded to him was appropriate in my opinion. Then he wanted to carry it on. So your promise isn't panning out here Blue.

On top of that you come on here and make more prejudicial statements about me...as pointed out above....so WTF?

I can see you play favorites, and I can see the more I hang around here the more you and KHP are going to be condescending and prejudicial in your assumptions and false conclusions about me and my case.








--->You both have made damaging false statements about me on your forum...so I'm outta here.<---

Yet, you returned to post again, not 30 minutes after you posted this.

Again today, you are back, making disparaging remarks directly at members of this board.

I don't see you on that other board, chastising those people there, for their opinions.

None of us need nor want to see you come and spout your foul-mouthed innuendo, especially when you can do nothing more than harass every person that even hints at disagreement.

[Dr Don]

Thank you Dalila, but I'm sensitive because KHP has consistently attacked me with false assumptions about me and my case, false accusations aimed at defaming me...

Max5s, you are wrong about this one. KHP started it...

Jesus himself would have called him worse...

To me it seems ironic that John Matrix is no longer a member here, but a post of his has now devolved into DrDon invoking the name of Jesus to condemn Paul, much like John Matrix did in his own misplaced hatred of Paul.

DrDon, in the slim hope that this will diffuse some of your hatred towards Paul, I am posing a question for your consideration since you said you like to stick with the facts. Have you ever stopped to consider that Geno is really the one who started all this by writing a post on DS in Paul's name that falsely accused you of child porn?

He used that same fraudulent and illegal tactic by writing another inflammatory post which stirred up intense anger between Paul and Blue -- and that lasted for quite a while too. The truth of Geno's despicable behavior came to light recently. Geno removed the incriminating evidence from DS, but not before he was exposed on FF. The gig was up; he was caught red-handed. http://www.femmefatalities.com/phpBB3/v ... &sk=t&sd=a

Before that discovery, John Matrix and Pennpaul came over here to defend you against those false CP charges attributed to Paul. In their rabid zeal, they attacked Paul and disrupted this board as they conspired in varying degrees with Geno. Geno used them as unwitting pawns in some ways, and in other ways they were simply willing accomplices. They were all banned.

I am not naively (or sarcastically) advocating "peace on earth, good will to men," but in my opinion, Paul and FF are not your enemies, even though Geno may want you to believe that.

I'm editing to add a clarification: You assume I have hatred for KHP. Why would you make that assumption when my biggest complaint on this forum has been false assumptions and false conclusions made by other people? I don't hate KHP, I dispise his attitude and his ignorant actionable lies and commentary. There is a difference between hating a person vs. hating what they say and do.

With the exception of Geno being caught with incriminating evidence I can say the rest of your so called facts are NOT true facts at all.....it's your opinion as to what happened and nothing more.

I was there when Den and Paul were going at it with Geno and when I was accused of CP and I can tell you it was NOT Geno on a sock puppet account that said it. I find that suggestion personally offensive. Speculations like you are putting forth do not serve to advance anything good here.

Nice try. But no dice. I'm not half the sucker you think I am.

[smudger]

Dr Don, I cross-posted with you.

I certainly don't want to come out as anyone's enemy, particularly yours, as you are an icon in this business.

I have only known about the existence of this community for less than three years. Before then (like most I would guess) I considered myself an isolated case!

I was not aware of any previous difficulties you may have had with Paul. Therefore, as a complete neutral, I read what was written and formed my opinions accordingly. I posted the above because it was the first place in this thread that the argument digressed from the criticism of work (which I would say is legitimate) to a quite unnecessary personal insult- agreed, not the strongest, but it was the fore-runner of many others.

Therefore, if you and Paul have a feud going, then he has won every round in the eyes of neutrals, because he has refrained from responding in kind, and it appears that you are the bad guy and he is the victim!

I put up my original post (re your comments on the Judge) because he said that you had done it, but you did not deny it you just said it had been a long while ago. Well Doctor, the Law has a VERY long memory, and I stand by the opinion that this gave the Canadian legal system the animus to drive the case through no matter how far removed it was from reality.

I say this as someone who has every respect for you and your work, and I also know from personal experience what it is like to be scapegoated by authorities with such elephantine memories.

[Dr Don]

I forgot to comment on the subject matter of this thread, what with all the excitement!

Now that was a good post smudger....that's the smudger I prefer and the one I've watched and come to respect while lurking about.

[Dr Don]

Tokie:

Over the years I have watched stuff like this happen at many forums sites where two or more people have disputes going on and eventually some newcomers will come onto the scene.

The first thing I do before saying anything, is to overcome the urge to say anything. The next thing I do is go back over the thread and read for any hints as to what started it.

It's never a surprise to discover that the majority of people usually pick sides based on personal biases and prejudices, not on their objective detective work.

Telling someone that they are acting like a juvenile delinquent or a moron when in fact they are acting like one, is completely justified when it's backed up by the persons own ignorant remarks.

But people come along thinking they are going to stick their foot in someones face (like you are doing to me) without having read the whole thread, or without knowing all the circumstances. And some people come along and decide they are going to be the voice of reason and they pick and choose comments while ignoring other comments for whatever reason, and they start pointing fingers.

The same pattern happens all the time on these threads.

My big fault is that I only stay away from these forums 95% of the time. The majority of members at sites like this are actually a bit smarter than me in that regard because they will post less than I do. The obvious reason they post so rarely is because of exactly what has happened to me here. Who wouldn't be afraid to post under these circumstances...even under the cloak of anonymity. That's why only about 10% of the members post regularly.

You can point the finger at me and say that I made disparaging remarks today all you want, but that is bullshit. Any remarks I made today are made to straighten out the bullshit and enlighten those who are capable of being enlightened, and I did it for a reasons that you are not able to, or not willing to see.

I am completely justified in saying everything I said to KHP.
You say....KHP didn't do this or that ....like you did ...so who's the trouble maker?

Well, that position ignores that fact that there are many other ways of insulting people than calling someone a name. In fact, in civil law, name calling is not a cause for action. Malicious personal attacks on people's character through efforts to convince reasonable minded people of lies and falsehoods concerning another individual are actionable. It is the lies and falsehoods that are considered more harmful, more insulting, and more damaging than name calling.

So get off your high horse and start looking at WHY I call KHP a moron. Do you think I enjoy doing it? Do you think I enjoy all the flack I get from people like you who blindly support KHP and put the blame on me? I have far better things to do with my time than come onto these forums only to be defamed by people spouting falsehoods and lies out of spite and ill will for the purpose of damaging my character.

So, I find it necessary to save all of these web pages with all of these comments, which I find offensive and damaging to me and my reputation.

[tOkie]

I am not "blindly" supporting anyone here, with the exception of the community.

I am merely an observer of what is transpiring in this thread, since it was started. I do not know how you expect each person here to know all about the past problems that you allude to. If you want to have a few rounds with people that you have personal problems with, then by all means, do it. Just don't insinuate, that because you have a history with others, that the rest of the members here should be ok with the way abuse is thrown about. Do not presume, for a moment, that I or anyone else should know about any previous bad blood that has come before.

I am defending those, like me, that have no inkling of the past conflicts. I am defending those who are in fear of posting a reply here, that they too, may become a target. I asked a pertinent question to the OP in on the other board and was rebuffed for my effort in trying to understand the problem, so that the community, as a whole could get a better picture of the seriousness of the situation.

I'm not here to antagonize. I'm here to try and get a grip on where the future of this may be headed. Do not lump me with all the others that you perceive to be "against" you. I am not, in any way, shape or form, that.






Jeffrey

[Bluestone]

Don,

I've just read the last several hours of posts, since I have been busy with Christmas festivities. I do indeed have a real life, and interact with real people much more than most people. I also did not say that I was a lawyer. It appears that assumptions are being made by you too, but I don't find assumptions insulting. They can be calmly refuted or corrected.

Smudger is entirely correct in his neutral observer assumptions. Although I have been around this community longer than him, I read this thread as a neutral observer and drew the same conclusions. I noted insults by you against Paul and I also noticed Paul's restraint. What happened before on other forums is entirely irrelevant to this board. This is a clean slate. We cannot rehash the past, because Geno has for whatever reason obliterated all of those posts from DS. There is absolutely no evidence that Paul insulted you or that you insulted Paul or any other allegation that may be made about that unfortunate incident. Therefore, rehashing it and letting it drive attitudes on this board is totally inappropriate.

Pennpaul was banned from this board for what he posted on this board, as was John Matrix. Don, as you yourself have said, respect has to be earned. These two gentleman may be fine gentlemen who in real life I could get to know and I'm sure we could get along and bury any cyber hatchets. Debbie D has told me that Pennpaul is a wonderful person, and I totally respect her opinion. I am sure he is. On this board, however, Pennpaul and John Matrix earned the respect of very few board members as a direct result of their posts and their attitudes to other members, including but not limited to Paul. They both failed to earn respect here, and in fact earned quite a bit of contempt. That was entirely their doing, because they came onto this board with a hatred of Paul of KHP that clouded their judgment. They were out to get him, because of what happened on another board. Once again, this community to a great extent are either unaware of what actually took place on DS, are bored with this ancient and deleted history, or don't care what happens on DS.

Now, please do not take this post as an attack on you, Don. It is not. It is just a statement of my opinion which I am fully entitled to post, whether you agree with it or not.

Finally, I totally agree, Don, that you are the absolutely most qualified person to talk about your case. Of course you are! Your case, though a precedent-setter, has been wrongly decided (at the trial level, I believe). I think we should be talking about what the law really is in all jurisdictions, and not concentrate just on how one case has so far been wrongly prosecuted. I did not mean to cause any damage to your on-going appeal. If I did so by any of my posts, I apologize to you, since this was certainly not my intention.

Don, I also apologize if you feel that I am lecturing you. Message board posts are not the best form of communication. I meant only to try to get you to think outside of the KHP-hate box. I just personally feel that we all have to move on, with or without apologies.

Blue

[Dr Don]

I am not "blindly" supporting anyone here, with the exception of the community.

I am merely an observer of what is transpiring in this thread, since it was started. I do not know how you expect each person here to know all about the past problems that you allude to. If you want to have a few rounds with people that you have personal problems with, then by all means, do it. Just don't insinuate, that because you have a history with others, that the rest of the members here should be ok with the way abuse is thrown about. Do not presume, for a moment, that I or anyone else should know about any previous bad blood that has come before.

I am defending those, like me, that have no inkling of the past conflicts. I am defending those who are in fear of posting a reply here, that they too, may become a target. I asked a pertinent question to the OP in on the other board and was rebuffed for my effort in trying to understand the problem, so that the community, as a whole could get a better picture of the seriousness of the situation.

I'm not here to antagonize. I'm here to try and get a grip on where the future of this may be headed. Do not lump me with all the others that you perceive to be "against" you. I am not, in any way, shape or form, that.
Jeffrey

Who are the others you are defending?
Defending from what?
Are you defending them from being called ignorant morons when they comment like ignorant morons?

Lets' get one thing straight. I don't have problems getting along with anyone that puts out a mutual effort to get along with me. It is KHP that has a problem with me. I don't have a problem with him. I just label him according to how he acts and then let him continue to prove he's a moron. No big deal right?

But when minions come to his rescue....now that's a problem.....and they get labelled as morons too. Birds of a feather flock together.

No one hear can say I am a bird that fit's into KHP's flock of turkeys....and ya...that distinction is important to me. I wear it like a badge of honor.

No amount of word smithing from you or anyone else is going to change that. I'm very happy with my keen ability to pick out a moron from a crowd when a person acts like one.

[kelli]

good lord, is this still going on??? yawn. ffs

[Dr Don]

good lord, is this still going on??? yawn. ffs