Is 'Hardcore Sex' Coupled With 'Violence' Illegal???

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Do they check these things out? Would you alert them, or is that embarrassing for you?

[Bluestone]

A producer alerting them might look like sour grapes or unfair competition, especially if the claim proves false. Better for a customer to alert Nicheclips, since Niche may not be reading this thread.

Blue

[smudger]

Leave it to me then.

BTW I have read it and it does say just that.

[smudger]

Done. I have cut and pasted the text for them to see. I have sent you a copy of my mail, Blue, though I did that separately. I am sure they will be concerned.

[Dr Don]

I think you took a case that you clearly brought on yourself and turned it into this grand fight for freedom so as to get money from people to help pay for your defense fund.

Damm you are just too good. You figured me out again. I did it so I would have to use up all my savings, retirement plan, so I would have to sell my house and loose 60,000.00 on it, and I did it because I was tired of shooting videos, editing, and doing special effects. I did it because I didn't want my old life anymore. I did it because I liked being humiliated in the media and in court and I did it for all the reasons you just mentioned above.

Thanks for all your kind words.

[Dr Don]

No, relax KHP. This is DrDon here, not John, and I am not going to bother Blue about it.

I think you are a smart fellar and you will continue to figure it out and put the pieces together.

I just wanted to assure you that the preliminary hearing, the first, and the second trial were all about the websites and the contents and had nothing to do with children or those false allegations. The allegations on that page you refer too were dealt with very early on. FACS told the police that they could not intervene based on those allegations. That's why it was improper for the police to use those allegations to get search warrants. The other reason is that those allegations had been investigated by the police, and no charges laid as a result of those allegations.

But the police used those allegations, which had already been investigated and found to be false, in their information to get a search warrant from and inexperienced JP.

The police even fabricated some of their own allegations and included them in their information to get search warrants.

So those allegations were only used to get search warrants Paul...They were not used to prosecute.

BTW. The June 26, 2001 letter from FACS is in reference to the "unverified" allegations that had been fabricated by the police and placed in their information to get search warrants, as well as other false allegations that they made between October 2000 and February 2001, about my own wife and children! But that letter posted here by Jafa states "allegations unverified....closing your file." That's a polite way of saying the cops were full of shit.

The cops were pissed about that, so they asked the FACS office manager for their files and the FACS manager said NO, Get a warrant.

So Gobeil went to his trusty cohort inexperienced JP, and got another warrant for FACS records and seized them. But that backfired on them, because I got copies of records I was never intended to get. I got them because the police had to disclose them to me. In those records we have transcribed telephone conversations in which the Chief of Police and his assistant chief told FACS my websites were not illegal.

Now you are a smart person, so you can see that those allegations have nothing to do with obscenity charges and those allegations were used to trick an inexperienced JP into granting the police the search warrants.

After that Paul, the trials had nothing to do with the allegations. The trial was about the websites and the contents....nothing else.

So you are using those debunked ages ago allegations to justify your comments when you really don't need to justify anything because I said it was all ok now Paul.

I get where you are coming from, and it's all fine. Let's be friends and move on.

Dwelling on the past is never productive.

I want to add that what most people who research this case come to the conclusion that it started as a witch hunt by one religious zealot cop and his "go along for the ride" partner. It becomes clear to people that these cops were looking for an angle to bust into my home and shut down my production company because it offended Gobeil and his religious beliefs. Part of their angle was to go to an inexperienced JP who they were well acquainted with to get the warrants.

No John, you've been there today.

Let me guess. Right about now you are sending Blue an email complaining about this...

[Dr Don]

Paul, you did not state them as the type of allegations we see in Jafa's document. You stated them as CP allegations. Pennpaul, Jafa, me, and others seen it and took it that way.

You did not say it in a good way either. You clearly intended to harm my reputation that same way you are continuing to try to do right now.

Please just read the proof below that the allegations were bullshit and the file was closed.

And once again, I don't hold it against you, and I want to be friends.

[Dr Don]

Paul, the above letter is in regard to the allegations fabricated by the police and given to FACS.

The other allegations were determined to be without any merit, otherwise their would have been charges. Others have already recognized that.

Jafa is a retired Cop. in his 60's
Pennpaul is retired form the military...not sure of his rank, but he was getting up there, and he is in his late 60's
I am going on 55.

I don't think it's fair for you to brush off Jafa, me, Pennpaul, or Geno as credible witnesses. We are all literate, and know what we read and know what the intended purpose was when you said it.

There were more than just us and Geno that day. But all of us above know what we heard.
In fact it was those comments that led to the threat of civil action by me. I got fed up and left DS, then discovered later that you got banned, and your ban was partly due to that conversation on DS.

Anyway, Let's move on. If you put out half as much effort at being friends as you do putting me down we would get along nicely.

[Dr Don]

Ok. Have it your way.
At least I tried.

[Dalila di Capri]

Paul,

As I pointed out yesterday I really don't want to waste my time at DS.

If you are saying that Don through John Matrix (and Don I am not getting into that issue with you so please don't interpret this post in that) is attacking and insulting you please re-post it here so that we can see what all the commotion is about.

You may be right. There may be a horrible attack being orchestrated against you by the sinister team of Don, John Matrix, Geno, Jafa, and Penn, but how are the rest of us to judge without seeing what you mean?

One thing is certain: Don did NOT ask for his legal problems to be brought upon himself.
He was targeted. If you hae evidence that shows him to provoke the jury or the prosecution please present that here as well.

Of course what I would rather see is a return peace.

I am going to share a comment made about both you and Don by a prominent member of this forum.

"To have two such talented producers as Paul and Dr Don on the same forum is a real blessing."

That is how the general community feels about both of you, not just you, and not just Don, but both of you.

How many times have I said:

"Paul you are one of the best in the business"

A dozen? Two dozen? That does not mean that I am going to ignore the fact that you are behaving like an ass if sometimes you behave like an ass. If I see it I will point it out.

That would do nothing to take away the fact that you are one of the best and well respected by this community.

So is Don.

If this latest confrotation is justifiable please present the actual material here. If not is there any way for you to go back to the peace we had just 24 hours ago?

Pretty please with sugar on top???

Baci

[Dr Don]

No, that would be a letter pertaining only to your family.

It's a letter pertaining to allegations made about me by the police to FACS between October 13, 2000 and February 2001. I tried to explain that the religious fanatic cop did not think we were fit parents because he hated my productions, thought they were evil, and thought I was going to corrupt my kids, but his scheme didn't work out.

I agree the allegations mentioned in the letter are NOT to do with the neighbors in Spetember 2000 because those allegation went no where.....they were bullshit allegations made mostly by people known to be dope smokers, heavy drinkers, and dope growers.

You should know that I am the expert on my case Paul. I have lived and breathed it for 9 years. I should say Jafa and my Lawyer are experts on my case too. So I understand why you get confused about certain facts, allegations, dates, etc. and that's why I decided to cut you some slack and no get upset with you anymore.

It's not an easy case to grasp all at once, especially because it's spread over 9 years.

[Dr Don]

And on that happy note Dalila, I am going to beddy bye.

[Bluestone]

For the record, here is the John Matrix post from DS in its entirety. The Dr. Don case is being explained, and Paul (as KHP) is referred to about half-way down the post. These are the statements that Paul is referring to here:

For the record. The complaints were irrelevant in DrDon's prosecution because Gobeil would have found out about DrDon's materials regardless of DrDon's neighbors complaining. The reason I say that is because it all started with that a$$hole Wayne Harrison of the Winnipeg Police.

Harrison found out about it because a few prospective models that did not get hired called the Wpg Police and asked them if PSV was a legitimate film production company. Harrison is a religious zealot like Gobeil. Harrison would see himself in a mirror without his shirt on and think his own reflection was obscene.

Harrison and Gobeil think the undergarment section of the sears catalogue is obscene.

It was Gobeil who is the cause. Gobeil, after being told by his superiors that DrDon's website was viewed and they determined it wasn't illegal ignored his superiors and went after DrDon.

The two top cops in Fart Frances told a few "inferior" cops that it wasn't' illegal. Then they told some bitching nosey neighbors of DrDon's that it wasn't illegal. Then the bitch neighbors upped the anti and told the police DrDon let some 14 year old kid help him edit his videos. Meanwhile, the cops discovered the kid never used a computer in his life....never mind a professional video editing program. Those allegations went no where.

Gobeil stuck his neck out, went against the opinion of his superiors, got a search warrant using fabricated accusations that him and his partner made up, and laid obscenity charges, without having seen the materials. The obscenity charges had nothing to do with children being involved as KHP tried to make people believe on this site. Insinuating DrDon was prosecuted because he involved children in his productions was a mean thing to do.

The charges were because of that a$$hole Gobeil who thinks a female exposing her breasts in a film is sex. It's a fact. DrDon has the transcript and he read it to me....Gobeil was questioned and he said the exposure of a female breast is sex...to Him. It was his ignorance that started this against DrDon. So that's the way it was KHP.

Once a cop gets the ball rolling it's difficult to get the authorities to stop the ball rolling.

KHP criticises DrDon for being defiant when he was first charged. Why blame DrDon? He read the law, he knew it wasn't illegal, and he knew Gobeil was a religious fanatic that's full of sheet. What he did not know is how the system works....and how some lawyers pick up your case as a meal ticket and do sweet F_ck all for you.

DrDon had a moron for a lawyer at the Prelim and the first trial. He didn't challenge the warrants or anything else like DrDon asked him to over and over again. He made one sheety application for unreasonable delay, and failed to prepare DrDon for testifying.

To blame DrDon for these charges and the case going on for so long isn't right. KHP would have folded like a baby a long time ago, just like most everyone else.

Only the perceptive among us truly appreciate how difficult it is to fight on when you are offered plea bargain after plea bargain.

And why take a plea bargain if you are innocent and your Internet community needs this win as much as anyone else does. Just ask Peter about that....he knows how important this case is for all of us.

Because nothing was challenged at the first trial by DrDon's first lawyer, there were not many grounds for appeal. Fortunately the convictions were overturned. Fortunately the Supreme Court refused to grant leave to appeal to the Crown. Unfortunately the court of appeal had ordered and new trial, and the Crown had that card in their back pocket.

Contrast that first trial and appeal with this new appeal, and 36 grounds for appeal filed, including the challenges to the constitutionality of the law, all the warrants, etc. The case could be overturned on any one of those grounds and I believe it will be overturned.

Sorry for the rant.

I also see DrDon has extended his hand in friendship to KHP so I'll be waiting to see how that plays out.

Good luck to both of you...and Blue too. :yay:

[Bluestone]

Now, I personally feel that John Matrix should "Shut the f**k up, and stop even mentioning Paul's (KHP's) name on that other forum. Don can very easily control all of his supporters, by merely stating that he speaks for himself, as he as been doing so on FF throughout this thread, and that he can speak to Paul directly here on FF, where they are both members and can both state their positions on a forum that respects all opinions.

Now, gentlemen, it seems clear to me that there were allegations made against Don by neighbours which were never put into writing, or at least no one appears to have a copy of same, if they were. It also appears equally clear that these allegations were not referred to in the court transcripts. So, we can easily extrapolate from this that these allegations must have been false, unfounded, or, at least, unable to be proved. Otherwise, if the Crown was throwing everything they had at Don, then why not lead such evidence. That is, no doubt, why Don cannot produce an official letter that says 'These neighbour's allegations have proven to be false'. Secondly, whether Don pissed off his neighbours or they were just lunatics or fanatics who somehow discovered that he had a website with 'nekkid' women on it, and whether Don was antagonistic to the cops and court officials or not, is irrelevant to the crux of the matter, and what is important, or should be vitally important, to every member of this community, and that is that Don's work should NOT have been ruled to be obscene!!! That is what we have to take away from all of this.

Now, having said all of that, I must address Paul's point, which is simply that he has been consistent in stating that any allegations about minors, that were referred to by him, were in fact made. That's it! He's simply saying that he never maliciously tried to harm Don by fabricating allegations with intent to harm Don's reputation and damage his case. As for the CP allegations on DS, as my new Matrix-style persona would say, "You can't trust a f**king thing that you see posted on that Geno-controlled gossip column. I will not f**king ignore that moron behind the curtain pulling the strings! I don't care who the f**k saw posts on DS. If Geno will f**k with my posts, he'll f**k with anyone's, and HE is the one who really hates KHP and was in the best position to orchestrate, and did orchestrate, this whole damn feud in the first place!!!!" 'Ohhhh, my head... Ah, there are my meds. Got a glass of water? Thanks... Ah, that's better. Now, where was I?'

So, you guys may never be friends, but it's important that you're now talking civilly with one another. Perhaps some day there will be trust, but we can't have it all in just 24 hours

Blue

[tOkie]

I feel this topic is very important and does need to be in the forefront of the issues confronting this community. I believe that legislation and prosecution, albeit in other countries, have the ability to influence opinion world wide. I am not saying it will happen, only that it is possible. I can see the passion which some use, to make this issue heard and understood.

However:

I am not at all comfortable with nor do I have any respect for anyone who feels the need to openly display their utter lack of debate skills by telling other board members, who merely state an opposite viewpoint, to go...I'm not even going to repeat it here.

Once you lower yourself to that point, as is the case in the thread over at DS, then the very point you are trying to get across, fades to obsolescence, due to all of the name calling and obscenity slinging. This, in turn, lubricates that slippery slope into an intense verbal attack of others. By then, the real subject is lost, without much hope of regaining the spotlight in the discussion. It leads only to factions forming with the intent to make the singular viewpoint of another, incongruous. Let us get back to the real issue at hand.