The Porn vs. Non-Porn Debate!

[Bluestone]

It looks like DeadSkirts' Owner, Geno, is still on his crusade to outlaw XXX-porn producers from his site. He takes the position that XXX-porn has no place in the death fetish community, and that DS should be devoted only to the pure death fetish, which does not include XX-porn. I put in my two cents worth over there, but I'd be interested to get a feeling for what FF members think about this issue.

Personally, I don't produce XXX-porn and have no interest in it. I don't get off on seeing male genitals while some guy screws tattooed sluts to death... but that's just me. I'm into glamourous, gorgeous babes, dressed in sexy fashion, perhaps stripping, but not graphically screwed on film.

Notwithstanding my personal opinions and tastes, as FF owner I strongly believe in very, very, very limited censorship, because, after all, our community would not exist if the censors decided that all of our death fetish films were not acceptable and had the power to ban them from the Internet. Censorship is bad for our community, and I strongly feel that we should not be unnecessarily censoring members of our own community. Child porn will continue to be banned from this site, because it is illegal, but legal XXX-porn will continue to be permitted on the appropriate forums of this site.

Now, what do y'all think about the issue?

Blue

[Nyghtfall]

None of the killers in my fantasies ever have carnal knowledge of their victims prior to killing them, so whenever the ad copy for a new video shows someone getting a BJ, the victim being raped, or even having consensual sex, the producer instantly loses a sale, regardless of the scenario.

I recently made an exception because the model looked damn hot in a skirt, blouse, pantyhose, and heels, and my favorite victim type is career women. But I didn't buy it for the BJ. I wanted to see her strangled with her own pantyhose. Unfortunately, even the strangling did nothing for me. There was nothing to salvage by running it through my editor, either, so I deleted the video.

Truth be told, I think my days of buying fetish videos are slowly coming to an end. I've only bought four so far this year, and none of them did anything for me. I've become too jaded, finicky, been burned too many times to count, and the people who can regularly afford customs by the most popular producers apparently have fantasies that are too misogynistic for my tastes.

Sadly, what most non-porn producers lack in explicit sexual content they seem to constantly struggle to make up for in production values and attention to detail.

[DaleCar]

Everybody has different tastes. But I don't see how you can separate sex from the death fetish whatever your interest is. Problem with most video producers is that they try and hit a very wide audience. And some of us have more narrow tastes. Though I don't like certain porn conventions in fetish videos such as the money shot. I personally like it when the attacker be it a man or woman takes sexual advantage of there victim. If that weren't a consideration, why have beautiful victims.

I do like most bluestone and UKSG vids. Though there not explicit. Theres enough soft core there to let my mind take it the rest of the way. And i suspect thats what a lot of fetish enthusiasts do. Cause everyone has different interests.

I think Geno's making a mistake though. Censorship is rarely a good thing. And if he ever gets his way. And really puts censorship into effect on deadskirts. He may loose a significant portion of his board members

[darkins1de]

It looks like DeadSkirts' Owner, Geno, is still on his crusade to outlaw XXX-porn producers from his site. He takes the position that XXX-porn has no place in the death fetish community, and that DS should be devoted only to the pure death fetish, which does not include XX-porn.

Blue

I'm not a great fan of xxx-porn but i'm a PST customer.

There is not "true" death fetish. The XXX-porn is a part of this little world.

If you dont like that, you dont buy their video. But you have to respect all tastes!

I read the thread and IMO the Geno's crusade vs XXX-porn is discriminatory and ridicoulus.

[xj900uk]

Whilst I believe Geno has a point - hard porn or necro-sex simply isn't my 'thing', he's going about it the wrong way (and I've told him as such!)

[smudger]

The fetish already covers a lot of ground- there are those who only like strangling, shooting, stabbing, arrows, drowning, hanging, decap, poison.... then there's the innocent victim vs the aggressive bad girl.... male killers, female killers.... some people aren't restricted to one method of demise, while others are very specific, why, even the shooting sub-section is divided into sub-sections for where you like them shot....

So it is hardly surprising that there is a substantial proportion of people who want porn, and likewise a substantial number who don't care one way or the other; then others who really do not want it included.

So while I belong to the latter group, so long as you are going to cater for a wide range of tastes then censorship ain't appropriate, IMHO.

[Egeek]

As Deman has pointed out we all have our different tastes. I write stuff that doesn't hit every ones tastes but sure aren't going to judge any ones tastes or consider a censorship of some kind on a site. The death fetish theme is very broad and keeps on growing. Its not just the basic fetishes like pantyhose, feet, strangulation, death stares etc. Sexual stuff does sometimes get mixed in. I don't mind. I don't always need it in the scene but I don't hate either or find it too perverted. I created various characters that hit my own various tastes and others too. It creates a balanced fanbase I think too. So ya I have created characters like sex killers who do enjoy the vic afterwards like rape or just leave the vic nude. I try to be very open minded. while no not all tastes hit my eyes either. As for purchasing clips. Its been awhile. Im mostly a mainstream clip person but do like buying a death fetish clip sometimes if the scene hits my eyes. Only time I think of censorship is not for a site but for my own stories where I have to make them site posting friendly. hehe. My cut and uncut versions.

[tommygun]

I'm with everyone else on this. Porn mixed into our female death fetish scenes isn't my thing, and when it comes to the brutal rapes and torture of the victims in some of these clips, I sort of gag. But as Blue says, trying to censor it is a very slippery slope. OK, which is more "pornographic," seeing two people have intercourse or seeing a pretty woman in a silky dress shot four times and bleeding to death while in mortal agony...???

The fact is, if there were not a large contingent that liked those necro-rape videos and bought them, they wouldn't be produced because the sales revenue wouldn't cover their cost of production. (Although I do think that the producers have a certain amount of personal fun making them when they are the Screwor.)

Bottom line for me, live and let live in our community.

[Nyghtfall]

(Although I do think that the producers have a certain amount of personal fun making them when they are the Screwor.)

I once suggested that the fantasy death fetish was starting to take a back seat to porn because producers appeared to be coming up with any excuse possible to fuck their models. As a consequence, the death scenes were looking more like an afterthought. I imagined the conversations on set were going something like, "Whew! Damn, that was a nice! What's next? Oh, right, the death scene." And I had seen enough videos to give me that very impression. It's part of why I stopped buying anything with porn in it, because my experience was telling me the death scene was going to be shit.

Maybe that's where Geno's thinking stems from. He's gotten the same impression over the last few years, but taken it to the extreme by insisting that any producer who includes porn isn't a "true" fantasy death fetishist.

[Indrid Cold]

Was it really necessary to bring this non-issue over here?

[Bluestone]

Was it really necessary to bring this non-issue over here?

Yes, I think it was, because we can talk freely here. I post over there, but as you well know, Geno will do whatever he wants no matter what someone posts. It's his board and he's allowed to do whatever he wishes with it, but once you start censoring community producers because they produce personally what you don't like, what's next? Will XXX-porn discussions be the next to be banned? Once you start to censor discussions of legal community material, where does it end?

FF has always striven to be a more open board. We don't ban reference to other community boards, or links to them. We don't restrict producers from advertising XXX-porn. If there's to be a totally open discussion of this topic, this is the place to have it. Sure, you can join in the discussion at DS like I did, but you're always walking on eggshells over there. I'm interested in hearing what everyone actually thinks about this issue, and I'm sure others are too.

Blue

[xj900uk]

Well I will say what I said over there - it does nothing for me. Having said that, some producers I normally associate with xxx-necro porn like Chris B or John M have actually done some good non-necro stuff or scenes as well, which have really appealed to me

[Nyghtfall]

Having said that, some producers I normally associate with xxx-necro porn like Chris B or John M have actually done some good non-necro stuff or scenes as well, which have really appealed to me

Damn shame John went customs-only. There are only three lift-up stranglings in any of his company's stores now, and two of them are my customs.

[Indrid Cold]

If you like porn in your fetish, fine. If you don't, fine. Naturally, producers are going to cater to whichever sells the best. Just don't see the issue.

Of course, it doesn't matter to me, as I've always quenched my thirst with mainstream material.

[Egeek]

If you like porn in your fetish, fine. If you don't, fine. Naturally, producers are going to cater to whichever sells the best. Just don't see the issue.

Of course, it doesn't matter to me, as I've always quenched my thirst on mainstream material.

mainstream stuff and my own imagination have always do wonders for me so but yes death fetish clips do help too. Then the occational chats of various tastes.