Peace between the Boards?

[kevin67]

This is a very touchy topic, but I feel that I should clear some things up.

First ,I would like to address the topic of conduct. When a person is dealing with the public, he or she owes it to the surrounding people to display a certain civil behavior. People react to the way you treat them. There have been times when i have been less than civil, but only when I felt I ,or the FF board ,was being treated in a very disrespectful and uncivil way. In regards to you Geno I say that you must realize that a man ( you can read here woman too) is responsible for his own actions. What I am writing right now is not dictated by Blue, N.P. or anybody else. You owe it to your own board to be civil , if not overly benevolent to your posters. If you do wrong,, then youn have to pay the price,.That's why we have prisons ,fines and other types of punishment.

Next comes this concept of the rat pack. I know you consider me one of the rat packers. The concept is a myth, there was never any rat packers. There was never any agreement between Kevin67 ,and the other people you consider rat packers, to form an army and raid the shores of the DS site. It didn't exist. What you did have was a group of people who acting separately decided to protect this flegling board from the slings and arrows of certain DS posters, not the Ds board in general. I said this once before and I will say it again. These handful of people loved the FF board enough to defend it, and to show our respect for Blue. Seeing how loyal you are, to your own board, I think you can understand that.We fought, but Blue made the decisions, and I fully back those decisions.

As far as peace is concerned, I think we have that now. If you leave us alone, I wouldn't find it hard to leave you alone. What's wrong with that?

[Nightposter]

I said the same thing about a neighbor who was doing things to me and my property. Leave me alone and I"ll leave you alone. No where in that does it say you get to tell me your side of everything and that I have to hear it. I don't care to hear their side of it or any explanation. Just stop. This has worked for me and my neighbor. We are not friends. Not even close. I don't wave to him. He doesn't wave to me. We just ignore each other. That is the best it is going to be. Too much was done for there to be any trust at all. Or even any forgiveness. I hope that makes it clear.

No one has forgiven any one nor have we asked for anyone to forgive or forget!

As you have said I've heard all this before from you. ( and I guess I'll keep hearing about as long as you keep repeating it ) and I keep telling you something you don't seem to understand. I GET IT, I understand, you were wronged, Your mom was wronged, one of your actresses was wronged..I understand!!!!
Paul as far as I'm concerned you may put me on your ignore list if you wish, just tell Blue and I will never address you again, but that also means that I will not be there if you need help, you'll have to wait for Kevin or Blue.

Now understand this:
We have done what we could to end things like this from happening again. We can not just go out and have the internet police arrest the bad guys and put them away. The internet cops do not exist for things like this! All we can do is try, and we may have made some headway. If we had not tried you'd still be defending yourself from one goon or another, until we had banned all the people who came here from over there.
In the mean time the rest of our members may have gotten fed up with the wars and moved away to quieter places.

We did what we did in the best interest of this board. If it works fine, if it doesn't, you are more than welcome to tell us you told us so.

Once this thread is closed, I don't think any of us will need to bother you with what alot people were concerned about. Because, as has been repeated several times in this thread,
this is the FINAL CHAPTER, IT IS OVER- DONE FINISHED. HE IS NOT WELCOME HERE, AND WILL NOT BE A MEMBER HERE.

The rest of the membership was invited by the board owner to have their say, as they are entitled to, Just as you are and this thread will remain open for comments until such time as Bluestone decides to lock it.

[Den-CnB]

It was nice that Geno reinstated me but even though he said it was independent of the peace package, it would never have happened if not for the peace package with FF.

So many negative posts were made about me and people I care for on DS, I can Never post there again. As Dalila said it came 3 months too late but also too much unforgettable and unforgivable damage has been done by Geno and his Company of goons that came to FF to do it harm that I will Never get over it. I hope none of these people need help in the future, I am normally here for everyone in the community if they need help, this is the first time EVER there will be people that I will now NEVER give a helping hand.

Dennis

[bellystabs]

This is from Rule #12 of the FF Board Rules:

12) Overriding Discretion: The administration reserves the right to remove any post that it finds offensive in its sole and unfettered discretion. Further, the administration similarily reserves the right to remove any post and or member at any time..."

You banned Geno and that was a good start. In my opinion you should ban John Matrix and PennPaul as well. Life is too short to put up with their crap. I came here to enjoy my erotic horror fetish with others. I didn't come here to watch them attack Paul and others, nor did I join here to withstand their constant onslaught.

In two short months, they have made a combined total of 200 posts. Most of them contain some kind of offensive, disruptive, insulting, demeaning, condescending, provocative, or otherwise uncivil comment in order to advance their despicable crusade.

I now view them as little "cyber-terrorists" in FF. If you don't ban them like you banned their ring leader, and if I smell that same stench in a future post of theirs, I for one will be jumping all over their asses; and I imagine several others may join in the fray.

As you said, members of FF, especially the ladies, are tired of the fight that Geno and company started in here. And now, it probably doesn't even matter who started it. I am tired of it too. I don't go looking for fights, but I am damn sure not going to let another one of their attacks or insults go unchallenged in here if they don't abide by this truce.

Banning them has nothing to do with their "freedom of speech" as they like to cry. Freedom of speech was placed in the Bill of Rights to protect U.S. citizens from the government infringement upon our right to assemble, protest, etc. That doesn't preclude govenment from jailing a pervert who yells "FIRE" in a small, crowded theater. That is not constitutionally protected speech, and neither is membership in a private forum like FF, or PP, or DS.

The FF administration is not a bunch of capricious cretins, so I am not worried about a dictator running amok in here; otherwise, I would never have joined FF. Your current thread is another example of how you let members speak freely, even when they may strongly disagree with each other.

In the case of John Matrix and PennPaul, I sincerely wish you would ban them today. If not, I hope you keep them on a very, very short leash that is attached to a choke collar.

[Mac]

To Bellystabs.

That's a great post you just made.

I thought J Matrix/Pennpaul had made a lot of posts lately; but not as much as 200 over two months.

If they keep trying to disrupt the Board and nothing is done to curb them, I think I'll be voteing with my feet and trying somewhere else.

Mac.

[Mac]

To Paul-KHP.

I read your comments and agree with everything you said.

Best wishes in the courtroom. Even if you don't 'burst them' for a pile of money, I'm sure you will reap great moral satisfaction. (I know I did)

Re' your messages...Could you please use a larger Font size as I'm going blind trying to read the 'normal' sized Font.

I'll get in touch with you regards a non bored war topic next week of which I would like to hear your views.

Mac.

[Bluestone]

Hello All,

Please keep the comments coming. I think we all need to vent (including me). This whole FF-DS conflict has been a very negative experience for us all, and I am taking note of everything that is being said here. I know Paul disagrees with my decision in even starting this thread. I hear him, and I thank him for stating his position very clearly. I also hear all of the other comments, and I endorse Kevin67's position. I come from Canada. We are a peaceful nation, but when attacked we defend ourselves. When our allies are attacked, we come to their defence no matter what the cost. I run FF in somewhat the same way. We are a peaceful board, but don't mess with us, or we'll kick your ass... plain and simple.

On the Pennpaul/Matrix issue, Pennpaul has been instructed by his DS boss to cease and desist. Matrix has ceased posting on this board and probably will not return. Both of them have proven over so many posts that their main purpose here is not peaceful social interaction, but disruption. The FF moderators are here to ensure that, having given them their say already, we're not prepared to put up with any more of their disruption of this board. They can consider this a warning that if they return for any purpose other than peaceful social interaction, they will indeed be suspended or banned. We will not be putting up with their crap any longer. I hope I have made my position quite clear.

Now, I will not be locking this thread, since I am sure that there are others who wish to state their opinions on this matter. I for one am getting back to putting another bullet hole into Petra's gorgeous body

Blue

[JohnM]

KHP Wrote:

Geno was given the chance and he blew it. I still have battles to wage with DS that will not be done on message boards, it will be done in a court room.

Now, you are not planning to expose our community in a public courtroom are you. While I understand your frustration, I don't understand why you would put the whole community at risk for vindication. While you might be victorious, whatever that would mean, you would put that forum and everything related (the people and producers on it and other sites and forums connected to it or referenced on it) to it under a spotlight.

While there have been many--MANY times in the past where indiscretion of others (in this community) have cost me considerable income, I have opted to let it drop in order to simply survive. There was another case involving this community that ended recently that left a necro empire broken and in shambles.

Why expose us. Just ignore DS and it will go away.

Further thoughts: I wrote this real fast cause I am babysitting at the moment. But, if I am mis-interpreted what you meant by court room, then I apologize for jumping the gun. The word "court room" implies publicity and press...so, that is why I was weary and my concern may be unfounded as I am sure you understand the implication of that as well.

JohnM

[snuffit]

Stopping this sh*t is easy, geno wishes it to stop (so he says) if both sites ban any threads posted about the other or their members. this should end it all. its not stopping free speech is it . because you can still have your say on what this sites all about. The topics on ds and geno should just be stopped and if the great geno does the same. all this will go away.

[tOkie]

I read every word written in that, I won't call it a name, reply from the DS.

I read it again.

I read it a 3rd time.




As usual, it is just an incomprehensible stringing together of words, that are there only to fill space between periods. Maybe a good hit of clearlight would help it to make sense but:

I'm wayyyy too old for that now.


I read everyone's responses. I applaud each of you, for stating cases, as you needed to as individuals. I can see all sides to this (well, except for the one I still can't decipher) story and now, because I will not be "spoiling" for a fight, not that I think I shouldn't...


I shall zip my lip and nothing of this will I mention again.

[JohnM]

I will put Myself, Psycho-Thrillers, COH, Bella Morte, Against Her Will, Horror Variety Theatre, CnB, Horror Dolls, Wicked Works, Vicious Visions, Inshadow, EWP, Brutal Tales, Powershotz, and every other site that produces taboo content and stuff more extreme then you---on notice.

On notice that:

#1, Either produce content that "safe" (whatever that means).

#2 Quit.

or

#3 Keep doing what works for them.

Paul, we all just want to be left alone to do our things and support ourselves. That is all. I would never think of taking that away from another producer or focusing attention on this community for a stupid-ass forum. A neighbor--I understand. A forum--forget it. You would hurt so many and to blame it on Geno or the producers? Really? Blaming others is one of the key systems of being a narcissist or sociopath. I know, because I am the opposite of both. Maybe that is why I care so much. Altruism has a price, however, maybe I am seeing that play out. Anyhow....I only wish for everyone success because everyone in there own right deserves it.

JohnM

[Bluestone]

Stopping this sh*t is easy, geno wishes it to stop (so he says) if both sites ban any threads posted about the other or their members. this should end it all. its not stopping free speech is it . because you can still have your say on what this sites all about. The topics on ds and geno should just be stopped and if the great geno does the same. all this will go away.

Not sure it's that easy, Snuffit. In the recent past, many things have been said or done on DeadSkirts that have seriously impacted members here. Paul would not be threatening a lawsuit lightly. I have basically been ignoring DS and Geno as much as I can over the past several weeks. I have not advertized my last couple of Silk Video releases there, nor have I posted there. Notwithstanding my attempt to simply ignore what happens over there, I must allow those who are injured by events over there to have their say here. For example, if Kelli or another member is attacked on DS and is hurting, she has every right to come here and talk it through. How can I silence her, or Paul, or any of the other members who have been badly hurt on the other board. Yes, it would be nice if DS completely ignored FF and pretended that it didn't exist, but we cannot do likewise, because our doors must always be open to those who need a safe haven in this community and who are attacked for speaking their minds elsewhere in this community.

It is a very difficult balance to maintain, to peacefully co-exist, but to stand up for those who have been wronged on DS, but it is a balance that we shall always strive to maintain. DS exists. We cannot close our eyes and pretend that it doesn't, but we can rest assured that there is no way that DS Management is going to influence what we do here. As long as they leave us alone and treat members of our community fairly, we will ignore them. When they cross the line, we shall always be there to speak out against injustice and to keep them honest and accountable.

Blue

[JohnM]

JohnM I'm not saying you are anything. This was not even about you. And I'm definitely not what you say I am. But you've been told by a large number of people that some of what you do goes too far but I don't see you listening to any one on that so why should I listen to you. Don't now come down on me because I want to defend myself and you are worried that because of what you do, you might get in trouble for it. That is, as they say, your problem and your choice. You choose to do a lot of things I have publicly and privately stated are a very bad ideas. As producers started doing productions like what you do, I was always adviced against joining the bandwagon on doing certain things. In fact, I was well educated on what and what not to do in very specific terms. The thought has always been that you can maybe get away with it but there is a risk that it might bring undo attention. So since you seem to be able to do videos that feature just about every thing I was adviced not to do, I would say you have already put us all at risk despite being adviced otherwise. I'm not at risk of being arrested but I am at risk because if and when they go to shut it down, it will wipe out all forms of selling our work. So please, do not lecture me on putting a community at risk for you and a few others are the ones doing this. The level of my work IS safe. There is nothing about it that pushes any envelope or draws undo attention yet I hold my own on sales. Am I the only one that can make money at this without raping under age daughters or nieces? I'd say something is sadly lacking if that is the case. The minute I would have to rely on that to make a living is the day I would retire. You can argue with me all day long on this and try to make me look like the bad guy. I'm not the bad guy.

Paul,

I was holding my own way, way, way, way before that. Paul, I can produce anything I want and be right where I am because, Paul, the formula is simple. Do a good job, care about your customer, produce a good product. That's it.

I produce this variety of content because I want to. It interests me as an artist to do all sorts of story lines with all sorts of subject matters. I have two stores. 1 hardcore, 1 not. I could stop hardcore today and support my 1 store and be right where I am.

In addition, I could stop incest themes which I have done about 14 out of 325 times. I could stop the prego themes---which I have done 2 times. I could stop movies in schoolgirl costumes--I have 2 of those. I could even pull those 18 out of 325 movies and be fine. It has nothing to do with that. It has exactly to do with that you could put a general spotlight on this community.

So, let me just ask the community. Is that cool? Do you care? In 14 years a few people have pissed me off, said bad things about me, harassed me, send me viruses, etc, etc. I have never felt so scared or jaded that I would even remotely consider opening any of this up to the public.

It has to do with the whole community--the producers, the customers, the lurkers, the moderators--everyone. To make this about me being scared--sure, that is part of it. But regardless of what I produced, I would have the exact same response. Exactly the same.

That's all I am saying Paul. Community. Community.

On the other hand, could be a good way to reduce the competition. (just a joke)



Anyhow, I said what I need to say. Really, the community could weigh in. It could effect what is produced, who is looking at these forums, etc. I am sure outsiders look at these forums all the time, but the scrutiny of a judge is not something that even if we were all producing videos that were just like yours, be something we would want. Of course if everyone produced the same level of content, it would really not be a very competitive market and it would certainly reduce choice for everyone. Ultimately, isn't it about the choices available for adults to make?

Anyway, you can counter if you like, Paul. I am good to go on your your points and now you know mine, so unlike what never seems to happen between the two forums, I will LET IT REST.

And Paul, don't ever think I don't respect you as a producer and any of your opinions. This is just one of those things I needed to chime in on.

Thanks for listening,
JohnM

[Mac]

Paul.

Why are you haveing to justify yourself over something that is essentially your own private business?

Mac.

[Bluestone]

Speaking on a personal basis only, if Paul is not afraid to have his films shown in court (which would never happen in a Small Claim Court forum anyway... believe me, I've been there more times than most), then it's his business, and I.M.H.O. it will not adversely affect this community; although, it may indeed adversely affect the party being sued. Paul has the right to protect his business, however he wishes. I also have no problem with my content, and I would seriously consider suing pirates for infringing my copyright. I would not lie down and play dead (no pun intended). I just don't think that this community should be frightened into thinking that a Small Claims Court action by Paul to protect his business interests could in any way adversely affect this community in general. I think that's really stretching it. This is a public board. The world can read it, but no one's taking any action against it, because it is not illegal and the paysites that support it are not illegal.

JohnM, thank you for making your statements. They do have value. Paul's statements also have value. With respect, I think you both just have to agree to disagree on this point

Blue