Welcome Back, Geno!

[Damon]

[color=115]Like I said Damon, Grace and I are working on solutions, not you. You are working on division and trying to cause a riff, but if won't work. If you want to harp on the past and continue to swim with the along side the turbs in your toilet boy, continue on.

Not trying to cause division, just saying what a lot of people would like to say to you. Jeez, if you really think I'd go to the trouble of posting to cause any rift between boards, sorry, but I have an actual life which is far more important to me. Couldn't care frankly if you and Grace get on or not. As I said previously, these message boards aren't my life, and I don't know either of you. If they ever disappear, won't impact me in the slightest.

'Boy' again eh? Make you feel big that, does it? Make you hard that you think you've got power over people and can demean them? That how you get your kicks Geno? Make you feel worthy of something? If it does, carry right on, doesn't matter to me in the slightest, but if it gives you some sort of satisfaction in your life, feel free.

By the way, are you going to provide that proof or not?

[Chris B]

Wow who has time for all this rhetoric?

Geno you are hilarious. It is so strange how you completely obsess over me and what I produce. Is it your goal to eventually alienate and offend everyone you possibly can? I don't get it personally, I would feel sick inside if i said some of the things you do about other people. Jesus man what gives?

I know I will be on DS eventually, even if I have to do "fetish only" videos, which I thought I was...

I work way too many hours in a day to write long, detailed posts about he said she said, geez.

Can we compromise? I mean is it necessary to pick on my size or weight, or take shots at my health?

I know when I heard you were ill, I actually meditated my thoughts positively in hopes that you would recover, even though I still had mixed feelings about how you treat me and others. I appreciate the few friends I still have in this fetish world that stand up for me here and there because they know me, but I need to do it for myself too.

So Geno, what will it take? What exactly do you want from Chris B. What if I killed Chris B. and came back as a different person? Chris

[Geno]

There you are Christopher!

I am joshing around with you as you can guess. Everyone, knows Geno is always kidding around right? You wouldn't move for the last couple weeks. You were just setting helpless there on the beach, and had to prod you back to life again. You do answer on this board only ("FF"), but it never in a timely manner. Let not talk about breaking any laws. Chris. No one is advocating or encouraging suicide like Mr. Drittz was earlier on this thread. I warned him don't go there. Then owner Bluestone stepped an reminded him to take a look at the ("FF") rules. The same applies to you my younger friend.

Also thank you very much Chris, for your kind meditations when I was super sick. Still am not all there, but doing much better by the grace of God and perhaps prayers similar to your, I believe.

What do I want from you Christopher? I think you already know that, but I will play along and tell you again. You claim you have 60% fetish-only videos, and counted 40% 2 months ago. It really does not matter you have more than enough videos you can sell on DeadSkirts in the fetish only category. Of course when you are active in sale, we DO need to respond to any legitimate concerns directed to you about any problems they are having with the sales videos or customs they order. All advertiser can ignore the prods, sarcasm, or cheap shots at your models or productions in general, plue the moderator protect ad from any extreme criticisms by deleting or separating those hecklers.

I does not make much sense the you stay near the top of NicheClips and at the same time you are so sick and weak, reportedly. It like..."Oh come up Christopher..get off your booty and show us that you have life in your body. That's all. You claim you don't have time for this and time for that, but when you complete your latest porn production, you have time to write the long novel size synopsis, with full mechanical details about how the guy ripped of her panties and dove in Fu--ing her dead rotting cunt. How he grab this part and came over here, and splatter her with this and that"...........but you can take time out and type you name and password into a DeadSkirts Login in Panel.

I will you this give this much, until you really feel up to , you are correct. You should not do it. We heard a lot of false rumors about you going out of the video fetish business, but you are still here. Now if you do get out of the fetish/porn business, you can join DeadSkirts with no restrictions, or requirements that you answer any one. You will be signed up, and you will post when, and if you want,anytime. That is were we stand.

P.S. Damon I'd be glad to show you proof of a new board, but even Grace will attest you can not call her scum and claim she used profanity or derogatory remarks, call her an idiot, then expect her to do a "proof" favor for you. Same applies with me. So give her and I a break us for 3 or 4 weeks, then you can act like a civil person for once, and I will post a thread to you on the new board, and give you a screen shot of the face of the board. Just like DeadSkirts but more attractive, and more advance. Until then I will have let you go.

[Damon]

P.S. Damon I'd be glad to show you proof of a new board, but even Grace will attest you can not call her scum and claim she used profanity or derogatory remarks, call her an idiot, then expect her to do a "proof" favor for you. Same applies with me. So give her and I a break us for 3 or 4 weeks, then you can act like a civil person for once, and I will post a thread to you on the new board, and give you a screen shot of the face of the board. Just like DeadSkirts but more attractive, and more advance. Until then I will have let you go.[/size]

Jeez, you are an ignoramus.

I'm not asking for proof of the new Deadskirts, I'm asking you to back up your accusation that I've been, and I quote "You can call Grace a weak person, scum, or any other name you have been calling the FF members here over the years, when you get mad, (and you are mad all the time)" as you posted at 6.21, earlier in this thread. See my reply at 7.16. Try reading the thread, it helps.

Oh, by the way, its always good that you have the ready made excuse, as you've said to Chris, that any insult can be explained away by you only 'kidding around'. Think people are wise to that now and, indeed, the world doesn't work like that. That's good to know because, the next time you complain about anybody saying anything 'rude' to you, hey, we're just kidding right?

[speak376]

THANK YOU GENO

[Grace X]

I'm going to venture a word or two, in the hope that we can all remember together the spirit that this thread began with, and I feel all of our relationships together can ultimately return to.

Geno is quite correct, he and I have been talking privately (and those conversations will remain private, as we mutually respect one another's thoughts and feelings expressed within the confidentiality of friendship). But the tone of those conversations has been to take a deep breath, try and understand what caused discomfort to flare, and work to heal that.

We are doing exactly that. I'm sure every single one of us, when upset, has at some time in our lives said things from a place of stress or discomfort or vulnerability that we don't truly mean in our hearts. If we dig in and become entrenched with those things, all they do is cause pain. And that pain is unnecessary, because if we talk together in a spirit of healing, we can get past that.

If we find just one small way to be supportive to one another in that process, the mountain of anger suddenly doesn't seem so large and impenetrable any more. Relationships that seem at an impasse or in a downward spiral can change course, and hurtful things have less power.

We are all part of a unique, and to me, quite special community. Blue, Geno and I all do things to contribute to it, as do so many others. As do ALL of you. I value every one of you. If we ever fight, let's always try to find ways to work our way back to the fulfillment of our friendships together.

[Damon]

That's fine for the three of you Grace but, as can be seen here and on other forums, a great many people are just fed up of Geno, full stop, and don't want anything to do with him. I think, for some of us, its line in the sand time. You can try to get him to improve his behaviour until the cows come home but, let's face it, that's never going to happen. Geno is Geno, always has been, always will be. If you think that is ever going to change, in the spirit of healing, as charming and noble that is, you're sadly deluded. I'm supportive of those who deserve it, this guy hasn't for too long.

Its gone on for too long, this fetish would be well rid of him.

[Geno]

Very well said Grace
One thing that keeps us both going Grace. We both are very appreciated by the vast majority of our members for providing fetish/adult boards for them for years. Those are the people/members that give us the incentive to try continue and try to provide the various types of message board they like. Or if we give up, try and turn it over to someone who would keep the same themes and content we want.

I , just like you Grace, and good human beings have said things that we really did not mean it our hearts. For instance, I feel very badly the way DS management treated Kelli when she was major part of DeadSkirts, before leaving us all, everywhere, forever. For the most part I believed the content on "DeadSkirts" was safe and mellow enough for her. She was very sensitive kind woman, who I had the honor of speaking with on the phone about 4 times over a period of a couple of months. Just great conversation. Then one day, she told not to call her anymore do to incidents on DS. I have the upmost respect for anyone who says do not call, and I did not call her again. I was so sad about that, but she gave it to me, she could take it away for any reason.

For whichever reasons, Kelli found the pressures of DS management treatment and being a moderator just too much for her, and decided to move on to another board. When she moved over to your board Grace, I think she was treated a lot better by FN management. Red carpet was rolled out for her. At the same time, I think she was being exposed to a lot of extremities in graphic extreme fantasies, that honestly, I think she could not handle. Just my honest opinion, because to this day she has 2,800 post. That more post than FF and FN (675 post) combined. So she shared an incredible amount of her personal feelings with the members of "DeadSkirts".

Grace Correctly points out : " I'm sure every single one of us, when upset, has at some time in our lives said things from a place of stress or discomfort or vulnerability that we don't truly mean in our hearts" --- by Grace
So when I got scared and hurt, I just spewed out what I believe was an ulterior motive for FN management having Kelli over there as a moderator and high profile member. Then, still driven on my personal health fears, I said that Grace was banned. I started posting all my suspicions, and though it may have brought immediate comfort, I could see it was not going be long term. I don't ban my members. I suspend them. I give them vacations and time to cool down. Why would I ban Grace? So turn it to a long suspension to help my fears, so I thought. But I found my self quickly whittling down the time until over a few days, there was nothing left. Grace now has her same active full unrestricted account on "DeadSkirts" again.

Then communication started in private again with Grace. Grace is a big supporter of private communication when things are not going well in public and so am I. There small number of members you can't to that with because they are driven by too much anger. Without that open private communication between website owners, she and I would be very handicapped. Not revealing was said between her and I, I can tell you all in general terms, that we relooked at the situation that lead to this, and found that there is really nothing their to come between us and our FN - DS relationship. In general I would say, a member or owner still should be careful on small offensive things, but that person should also be given a chance to explain first before any spur of the moment action is taken.

Grace has to be commended for an extraordinary job of standing her ground with her heart and her mind after was she was put through on her own board during this incident. She was surrounded by some of her very own members that were hitting hard with very hateful comments. I assure you she was not comforted by that type of "support". That is not what she was looking for.

Any everyday webmaster besides her, and perhaps Bluestone, would have given in and join the mob against DeadSkirts. I tell you one thing, when Grace left them to venture over to this thread and go to the private e-mails to reach me and show them how things can work out no matter how hopeless they want to imagine it being, ...the most of that hateful crowd dropped away and cut their negative advise they were giving her. I am very sure Grace wanted relief. There was one way to stop them without censoring or shutting down the thread, she went out and showed them that that is not the way to handle this. Grace went out and showed. Now ask her how does she feel today, right now? She feels much better now.

You can not force Grace to hate or dislike anyone or any website. It not built into her upbringing to do that. If ever she does, she will do it by her own personal investigation and exposures to that person or website.

One thing about this incident, is that is does help me to be a better person. A lot of those comments directed to her on and off line I won't be making ever again the future, because I have scared straight. Yep

Thanks for being a part of the community Grace X

Geno

[Bluestone]

Hey Geno and Grace,

Glad you could work it out. The community is stronger with both of you on the same team.

Now, the bill to each of you for the use of my psychiatrist couch will be in the mail shortly. LOL!

As to why I have that couch in the Bluestone mansion will remain my secret. Maybe I just anticipated that it may become useful for someone at sometime who will remain nameless.

Dr. Blue

[Grace X]

Thanks Dr. Blue! Use of the couch in the Bluestone mansion was much appreciated.

And thank you too, Geno. I'm glad we could talk, and I appreciate your willingness to listen to me, and your openness in allowing me to listen to you in a spirit of setting aside any hard feelings and just making an honest effort to communicate together. I've always believed (despite lapses if my temper gets the better of me, lol) that when we can just put feelings of conflict to the side with a sincere desire to understand what its causes were, then we can at least put things on a path toward healing. I'm here to say that from where I sit, Geno is very willing to embrace that kind of communication, and yes, things do feel better when we make that effort together.

There's been a lot of anger expressed here, I know. I'm not immune to it, sometimes I am sitting at my computer keyboard fuming, and sometimes I vent too. But after a deep breath (or several), if I have said things myself in public or in private that came out hurtfully, I need to take responsibility and ask myself why I felt I needed to to that. For me at least, the answer is probably some uncomfortable mix of frustration, miscommunication, stress, distress...and maybe I'm not handling all that as well as I would like to think I am. Okay Gracie, then try and make it better.

Again, Geno, thank you for listening to me.

I really do adore our community. FF, DS, FN, and many other places are here for us to enjoy and support one another. It's a lot nicer to come to them as friends.

[Director B]

I find you've got to be careful when writing on any board, a purely innocent question, and statement could be taken the wrong way or read into it as something else. In places like the discussion forums, in an argument people always want the last word, it makes them feel like they are the winner or won even if they are not making any sense, egos are always strong when people can hide behind social media. It's a shame that's the way it is. :-(

[Indrid Cold]

Grace Correctly points out : " I'm sure every single one of us, when upset, has at some time in our lives said things from a place of stress or discomfort or vulnerability that we don't truly mean in our hearts" --- by Grace

I've said some pretty mean things, but I've never said anything bigoted or misogynistic.

[Chris B]

I find you've got to be careful when writing on any board, a purely innocent question, and statement could be taken the wrong way or read into it as something else. In places like the discussion forums, in an argument people always want the last word, it makes them feel like they are the winner or won even if they are not making any sense, egos are always strong when people can hide behind social media. It's a shame that's the way it is. :-(

So true Director B. Everyone has their own personality and ways of saying what they mean or how they feel. I try to filter things but I like to say whats on my mind, regardless of who's ego is involved. I am definitely not good at biting my tongue. The last word is only the void of further argument or defense, in my opinion.

Nice to see Geno and Grace working it out. If you are a human being it is really not hard to get along with Grace. I have yet to meet a kinder, sweeter, and diplomatic person in my life. She has been there for me through a lot of good and bad times and never changed her tone. I love her.

Geno, I hope you have an ark down there, or at least something that floats. That rainfall total is insane for the coming days. Stay safe there will be a lot of chaos. You are correct about having just enough time to write long descriptions full of guts and goo, but that will even out here in the Spring when my winter job slows down. It takes a lot out of me and I am looking forward to a break, and focusing more on fetish. So you are saying I can post 40% of the films I produce? Not bad, better than zero..lol I still have yet to hear from you on email, and I checked today and still no DS login. It fails no matter what I put in. Are you pulling my leg man? Hahaha

Well Happy New Year everyone time to get back to logging in this snow. CB

[Arthur]

I'm also glad to see things are working out between Geno and Grace.

[Geno]

Grace I was glad to listen. That's why I always keep my email open for communication, as long as there are no criminal threats, or insane anger being directed at me. I am glad I was there when you were not finding comfort in what some of your most angry FN members were saying you. They sure did not bring you any comfort with that kind of talk. That you for not listening or taking any negative advice from them, Grace.
I have put back up you avatar, too. It is blank for now. I forgot all about it. Give me a day or two on that please. We a super nice comment you had for owner/actress Michelle of Choke Chamber!

Ingrid Cold --- Vladnos, it does not matter that you claim you never made any anti-female or anti-male comments. Grace was trying to point out that it would not matter if you had. You very well over the years you have hurt a lot of feelings of your fellow DeadSkirts members, and have plenty of unpaid vacation time to show for it, too. So it's better to admit that you have hurt people by lashing out at them when you felt wronged. They don't want to hear a list of the types of insults you may not have used over the years. Only that you did insult and that is the first step in the healing proceed and to help you get back on track. Also I want to thank you for wishing no bad luck on my physical and mental health. I am doing better but it is still a struggle to maintain some level of good health and still work.

Chris B --- I am not pulling your leg. I just want to talk to your first to make sure you feel up to selling video. Once on DeadSkirts we do want you to respond to all legitimate questions about your products and to answer any question if there are pay problems or glitches in buying your videos. We want you to be able to answer in a timely manner. Also there is not set limit on percentage. ...40%, 50% or 80%, What ever percentage you have of explicit violent sexual content vs. fetish only. Remember we have enjoy porn and will continue to do so. It just that on DeadSkirts we have chosen for some time to separate it from the fetish only.

Arthur that is really good coming from you. Ms. Grace was suffocating when she was surrounded by the likes of some of her FN members like Super-id, Capricorn, and a guy name Kalid or there abouts. They were directing so many extreme comments against DeadSkirts, she was almost completely buried by them in hate, and had to leave FN go to the source (Geno) looking for real solution that would make her feel much better. Grace then had to find a public medium where some things could be said without all that vitriolic attacks. We found it here on the quiet FF board for a meeting place. We did have a few hecklers as you can see, but they faded way too as long as we concentrated on solutions. As you can see it worked out for that best. Grace has already posted on DeadSkirts today, and gave a super-nice comment to one her favorite Fetish only producers, that beautiful young Asian co-owner of ChokeChamber...Michelle. Thanks again.

Geno