Religion and Politics!

[Bluestone]

Hi Dennis,

I deleted your last post as suggested by you. Thanks for all of that very interesting information. Very scary how these issues are dealt with to do indirectly what cannot be done directly. First amendment rights have certainly been circumvented.

Blue

[Max5s]

Dennis,

I didn't see the deleted post, so I don't know what did or didn't say. While I don't doubt that certain fundamentalist Christians would get their undies in a bunch over our "community", I don't see us as being their principal target. We were rather an easy target caught up in a broader effort.

I would also disagree that the VISA and MC shutdown is not a 1st Amendment issue. Last I checked, we can still produce, sell, purchase and possess the material here in the USA. V and MC are exercising the same perogative as Blue is by banning Geno here or Geno's banning of you on DS. Despite the fact that I disagree with V and MC, they are private shops exercising their own rights (a la no shirt, no shoes, no service). How many of you have torn up your V and MC cards and closed your accounts over this issue?

This is very different from the government directly violating your 2nd amendment rights as evidenced by the Sullivan Law in NYC, or the anti gun laws in Morton Grove. It is also different from the violations of your 4th amendment rights regarding search and seizure brought about as a part of the War on Drugs or your 5 amendment rights to due process squashed under the Patriot Act.

[Den-CnB]

Max5s,

Yes, we can produce and sell almost anything we want. The 1st amendment has always been in place and you can sell our material all you want, there are very few US government restrictions. The 1st amendment had to always be a 'Non Issue".

Up to the Bush admin the credit card companies came to us to process our material for sales at a very low rate.

No matter how you do the equation Visa and MC International wont process it for sale now for about 4 or 5 years. The companies maintain it is a 'business decision' as there were too many chargebacks. Safe answer since it is their business and conduct it as they see fit.

The Bankruptcy Laws changed during the Bush admin that favored paying back the unsecured Credit Card debt. Just a coincidence.

Dennis

[Peter]

For years Necrobabes maintained a chargeback rate lower than that of most restaurants. The notion that Visa and Mastercard refuse to business with the likes of us and yet still do business with the likes of Larry Flynt (or even worse, 'restaurants'), and that they do this for 'business reasons', is a lie. They do it for censorship reasons, not business reasons. From a pure business standpoint, they loose money by not doing business with us.

Why would they being doing censorship when it costs them lost revenue to do so, not to mention the cost of the staff devoted to censorship? They do it because the US government offered to them a very lucrative change in the bankruptcy laws if they would do for the government the censorship that the US constitution forbids the government from doing. It was very surprising to me that the ACLU didn't jump all over this. But I guess it was too much the backroom conspiracy for them to make a clear legal case out of it.

[Bluestone]

I’m more inclined to say that fundamentalist Christians are an enemy of rational thought rather than the enemy of our community.

Actually, this statement is a little too general and stereotypical, in my opinion. It should read: "Some people who call themselves fundamentalist Christians are an enemy of rational thought, because they do not understand their own religion."

These guys are throwing stones at us after judging that we are sinners. Jesus would not be pleased. He would side with us, and say to these people that He never knew them as His followers. Christians are NOT to judge others. Pride (that they are better than us) comes before a fall. These so-called Christians are like the Pharisees of Jesus' time, and He called them a brood of vipers. This hopefully minority of Christians gives all Christians a bad name. Man (and woman) was created with free will. That's the deal. We can chose to believe in Christ or not, but not even Christ would try to force us to follow Him. These so-called Christians should be more concerned with their own hypocrisy and tend to the repairing of their own glass houses, before tossing stones at us

(End of sermon. Insert joke here to reclaim light-hearted spirit of the board.)

Okay, I admit that I've sinned and broken the Commandment not to covet another man's wife. Dalila, I love you

Reverend Blue

[Dalila di Capri]

Okay, I admit that I've sinned and broken the Commandment not to covet another man's wife. Dalila, I love you

Reverend Blue

Oh, Blue how sweet!

Usually when the Scarlet Whore of Babylon is depicted in American Protestant Christianity she looks very much like me!!

Seriously, I come from the part of the world wherein most of what happened in the Bible took place. I was born in Damascus and have been to the place wherein Paul the apostle went blind.

Christians in the Middle East are nothing like the fundamentalists in America.

So yes I consider myself a Christian and I believe that Jesus was who he said he was.

I also tend to think that his relationships with Mary, Martha, and Mary Magdalene were covered up by the Bishops of the chruch around 500 AD or so.

In Jesus' day it was not a sin to have several wives...

Sex is NOT a sin...and from what I understand murder in one's heart is...but depicting murder in a play or film IS NOT.

So I am sure that you are forgiven by God Blue...but your wife??That could be a different story

Baci

[Max5s]

I’m more inclined to say that fundamentalist Christians are an enemy of rational thought rather than the enemy of our community.

Actually, this statement is a little too general and stereotypical, in my opinion. It should read: "Some people who call themselves fundamentalist Christians are an enemy of rational thought, because they do not understand their own religion."

Reverend Blue

Blue,

I prefer my own verbiage as I see FCs' lack of rationality as threatening to a wide variety of groups including, but not necessarily focused on, our group. I would also be hesitant to say they don't understand their own religion. FC IS their religion. I would be more inclined to say that they are ignorant of the history of Christianity and the interpretations of scripture as discussed and debated by bonafied theologians.

[Den-CnB]

Back to Visa and MC:

Here is the international standard for our material.
Application Tuesday to a credit card biller and reply.

August 27, 2009

Thanks for your request to process with XXXXXX. I am sorry to say that we can't accept your website. Below is a list of what our bank will not allow us to process for. So even if we set it up, they will block it on their end.

- Snuff
- Any kind of association with dead people
- Violence
- Teens
- Necrophilia
- Rape
- Bestiality

[Den-CnB]

Does that include chewing tobacco? lol We are sure put into a really bad group of people when nothing we do looks any worse than TV or movies. They know "snuff" means to kill, right? You can kill, you just can't snuff any one. I get it.

Yup it really does include chewing tobacco-any tobacco products. This full list is huge and the Bush admin. kept adding to it. I forgot all the things but it included peeing and other body fluids, scat and on and on.

We are listed in the Child Porn Section!! - tells you want they think of us 'they' meaning the Bush admin group that kept adding to the list. I am not sure if there are people in the current admin adding to the list. I think they are just working on 'Death Panels' - I am sure I am on that list.

Dennis

[Den-CnB]

Tobacco is included but I would guess the mom and pop stores don't read the rules. I buy cigs but have to use a check since they wont take my card.

If I get a quart of scotch, a deli heart clogging sandwich and a pack of cigs. I have to pay cash on the cigs but they will use the card for the others.
I suspect that will change if we get Gov. Health Care and they stop the use of cards on 'killer' foods and fatty food, probably guns and already can't do credit card online sales for RX drugs. I get my RX drugs in Mexico at 1/3 the price than in the US...these are the ones the Doctor prescribed Only.

Then again the Government knows what is best for us since we don't got the brains to figger things out on our own.

Dennis

[Den-CnB]

It's been obvious to me that gov't wants to take the place of religion. They are jealous of the control churches have over their people. I mean, they get people to give them money when it is obvious how crooked they are. The gov't would love that kind of control. They want to tell us what to eat, what to think and when we are going to die. Won't be long and we will all be getting prepackaged meals, gov't issue DVD's for entertainment and a letter from out death panel as to when and where to report to be exterminated.

Yup, that's it LOL!

Dennis

[Den-CnB]

Just have to post this: Here are 2 Movies you can buy in the US with a credit card. If you or I made it we can't use cards and in deep Sh*t.

(These images and links have been deleted by management at the request of the poster.)

[Den-CnB]

I guess I got to the 'presidential seal of approval', I'll check google for the application or become one of his 50 Czars. But I think I have to be a commie to get the title. I'll work on it.

"The second one was not made in the US so it is approved without question...like our food. Only food grown in the US is under suspicion. Food grown outside the US is not. See how that works?"

I am starting to see the logic and it makes Perfect Sense!

D