Debbie D insult

[Mkkb]

Thank you, Max5s, for your considerate approach. I will convey your message to Debbie D.

I agree with your assessment of Debbie's selection and portrayal of characters. However, Bluestone in his commentary and lame explanations turned it into an insult. According to Debbie, this first occurred in Mr Blue's email response to her query regarding the sampler that she sent to him. The trooper that she is, she made a great effort to explain to Mr Blue just what he was seeing. That he then brought it into public domain as he stated in the opening thread, was uncalled for. He was restating his obviously erroneous reaction.

Debbie is very professional and did not treat Mr Blue's sample with any disrespect. Therein is a significant difference.

Answering your request is up to Debbie. Do you wish me to convey a copy of your message, above. ??

4P

You are obviously very, very threatened by Blue and the potential of what a great producer and a great actress could do together. Your posts are nothing less than a very sad attempt at trying to paint yourself as some sort of Debbie D savior. Instead, you look very foolish. Blue said nothing wrong and you know it. This stirring up nonsense is going to bite you in the ass. Debbie is a grown up. I am quite sure she can handle herself. I don't think she needs to be aligned with a very annoying poster on a forum for the customers of the very product she wants to sell. If she has a problem with an OPINION that blue had, I am sure a quick conversation would clear it up. (Which by the way, I happen to agree with. I would be very curious as to what a better producer, like Blue or PKF or PT, could do with such a stunning, passionate and fun actress, compared to the producer of the stuff she has been cranking out on Niche lately...Oh- and I say this as nothing more than a CUSTOMER...The very person you should be listening too!)
You are coming across as a bitter, jealous, and a bit obsessed with one particular actress.
So my advice to you is to wise up, grow up, and to stop getting off on being a thorn in everyones side.
It's not too late for you....This is all about fun....Try to stop sucking the fun out of it...

[Nightposter]

Whoa, Nightposter and Bluestone, no need to get so nasty and threatening unless you do wish to emulate Geno. I thought that this is a free speech board wherein members may post opinion and counter opinions. Your responses seem to indicate that this may not be true.

macjafa

Mr Jafa,
I submit that there was no nastiness or implied threat against you, just a statement of fact. Until this subject began I have not and still am not sure you are an instigator like PennPaul.
You have offered the same level of input to this board (indeed the same postings) as you have elsewhere. I would have to split my vote and argue that you get another chance.

As to the charge at hand:
Being a moderator, I can only act on FIRST HAND statements. He said she said doesn't cut it!

4P and Blue -I don't care if you had dinner with Debbie and she told you in front of 20 people in a public place. It is you posting hearsay, 4p - do not try and copy / paste an e-mail supposedly from her either, as you have pointed out that is invalid and subject to edits.
I do not buy that she is handicapped by "dial up" Half the time I am on line I am on dial up.
Until she posts somewhere on this board, using her membership that she has been insulted, the subject of this is a dispute between "producers", and disruptive to this board.

That being said, to everyone,
Please remember this board is privately owned and supported. While we "support free speech" free speech does not include yelling "Fire!" in a crowded bar, and does not include challenging everything that other members as your only subject and reason of posting.

If you do not have something constructive to post to the board, you don't belong here.
I will have no problem bouncing you out either. The membership has spoken before, and continues to speak in these postings. They do NOT want cyber bullies and trolls in this board.
The Moderators and Administrators have re confirmed to the members that we will not put up with this when we ended the last "wars" thread, and we will not put the members into another one.
I really don't care if you go to other boards and claim you were right all along, remember, we delete nothing but spam. All you words and barbs will still be here for all to decide for themselves.
Unless you ( or y'all ) can stop being disruptive and trolling this board, GET LOST,before we show you the main gate, and lock it behind you!

[kelli]

as i said in another thread, it is because of this crap that i stopped going to DS. believe it or not, women are NOT impressed by guys acting like barnyard roosters having a pissing contest. its tedious and a huge bore. yawn.

[kevin67]

I have been away from the board due to a death in the family, and I am trying to catch up on the latest posts.

I agree with Max5 that we should hear from Debbie herself. It makes sense since this situation involves her, but I also believe that should be solved ASAP.

As far as Pennpaul and Matrix are concerned, I say good riddance to trolling posters. They will not be missed. I think I will let the fate of JAFA up to the board members.

I am for a quick solution to this problem. Listen to Kelli.

[shootingmad]

im sorry for your loss kevin.

[Den-CnB]

I didn't read this as insult to Debbie but to her producers:

I will be shooting some of my material with her, i.e. casting her as a glamourous actress as opposed to the punk ass girls that other producers have her play. Debbie is a very good actress and deserves some parts that she can sink her teeth into.
Blue

Bluestone directed this at other producers (directors) and clearly pointed out "Debbie is a very good actress".

I have more than a few photosets that Debbie D. did for CnB at my direction and I could easily had her play one of those "punk ass girls that other producers have her play". I can live with having her play the wrong 'girl' in one or all of the work she did for me. If Blue doesn't like what I had her play that is okay with me since I called the shots for her part and got great reviews. I, like the rest of the producers, produce differently than the others and members all have varied interests - not just one, namely only Blue's productions. Every producer has their following, produce with their own style, and to member base the want to keep.

When it comes down to it: 'Punk Ass' equals a character the puchasers will Not pay money to see. I know that is not the case, since people pay to see what she has done by other producers. Perhaps the term was an error on Blue's part... then again, maybe not, but it just says he feels his following of purchasers want to see something that other producers haven't produced. There is nothing wrong with that position. My feeling, Perhaps this derogatory term should have not been used at all!

Dennis

[shootingmad]

Den,

what you say is true.

however my point from the beginning was that any other person would have dealt with the "derogatory term" or counter answered it in a diferent way, instead of reversing the comment into a direct attack to a model. Whats more, to play the role of public relationship and speak for her.

that is, in my opinion, what shows the underlying intentions of Pennpaul/Jafa comments.

[Bluestone]

Hi Dennis,

I hear what you're saying and I agree with your position that not all producers produce the same material... thank goodness. Variety is the spice of life, after all. I would never say that producers don't have the right to cast an actress in a certain role, or that the actress shouldn't act in different roles. I was only expressing my personal opinion on a video that I viewed... nothing more, and nothing less. Well, Debbie did put me in my place by pointing out that she must be a good actress, because I was turned off by the obnoxious character that she was playing in the video, and she was right. She played that role to a tee, but it just wasn't my cup of tea. Perhaps I went overboard by describing her character in this video as a punk ass girl. Perhaps I should have called that character a low class, gum-chewing, obnoxious girl, but despite how I referred to a character that she was playing, I was in no way referring to Debbie herself. That was what 4P and jafa couldn't, or refused to, understand. Yes, my opinion was that the portion of the production that I saw was that of a rank amateur. I didn't even take note of who the producer was, but obviously 4P took objection to my opinion. I still have the right to express that opinion, and I will not apologize for doing so. My statement was misinterpreted and challenged, and I have every right to set the record straight. If such lies had not been spread at my expense, I wouldn't have found it necessary to defend my opinion on the videos that I had viewed, and clarify why I held the opinions that I had earlier expressed in generalities only.

Anyway, the record has been set straight. Debbie D and I will be shooting some videos, and three trouble-makers will be cooling their heels outside of the mansion's gates.

Blue

I have now locked this topic, but any further comments on this subject matter can still be posted on the "Conspiracy to Disrupt FF" thread.