The Allegations and Arguments Continue - KHP and Don

[Dr Don]

Blue: I have been avoiding posting the malicious innuendos and allegations made by Paul throughout this thread, and the threads of July and August earlier this year.

Stop telling me Paul is not motivated by malice. He sure as hell is not doing it to win my friendship!

What motivates a person to do these sort of things is hatred, malice, and vindictiveness.

You can bury your head in the sand if you like....and I make note I am not the only one who has said you are doing that on this issue....but I see perfectly clear what KHP is doing.

[Dr Don]

KHP and Blue:

I demand proof that KHP did not make malicious statements concerning CP that were aimed at defaming me on DS in April 2008 as was witnessed by ME, Geno, the moderators, John Matrix, JAFA and Pennpaul. The allegations have been made by more than one or two people and never proven to be false. KHP just changed his story to make himself look more innoccent of the CP allegations....but he has never provided proof that he did not use the CP allegations. So I want proof.

Also, Prove me wrong that KHP has not been motivated by malice for bringing this topic up over and over again.

I want proof, otherwise it must be accepted as true in accordance with KHP's own logic.

[Dalila di Capri]

A legal question:

In Canada is the accused innocent until proven guilty as he would be in the United Sates?

[smudger]

As I think I said, the above quoted statement must be totally illogical because it is the position of the Dr Don camp (as well as everyone else) that the material was NOT pornographic. How can it therefore be suggested that exposing a minor to it constituted CP?
Or, from that, that an allegation that a minor was exposed to it be taken as equivalent to an accusation of CP?

[Dr Don]

Witness testimony made by Blue made on Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:23 pm:

If anything, Paul of KHP was accused of making a statement against Dr. Don that was a pure and utter fabrication. I challenge you, Pennpaul, to provide evidence that Paul of KHP ever made such an accusation against Dr. Don. You can't, because it never happened.

I challenge you to prove you did not make the allegation of CP directly or by innuendo.

[Dr Don]

You are right smudger, but not everyone is aware that there was no porn involved. This actually makes KHP's repetition of 9 year old allegations multiplied by his prejudicial accusations and innuendos all the more offensive. He was aware there was no porn involved, so why harp on it? But that's what he is doing.

As I think I said, the above quoted statement must be totally illogical because it is the position of the Dr Don camp (as well as everyone else) that the material was NOT pornographic. How can it therefore be suggested that exposing a minor to it constituted CP?
Or, from that, that an allegation that a minor was exposed to it be taken as equivalent to an accusation of CP?

[smudger]

Don, can I clarify something? Have you taken the fact that Paul queried the matter of the minor being exposed as being equivalent to an accusation of CP, as was propounded by Pennpaul in the quote above? Because unless that is the case, I have seen zero in anything he says which could be interpreted as being an accusation that you made CP. Not even the police suggested anything of the sort.

And how do you stand about the allegation that the post on DS (now disappeared) which started it off was a forgery?

[Dr Don]

Smudger: No Geno did not post for Paul. Geno knew very little about the details of my case. He could not have made the CP allegation using a sock puppet account or by editing KHP's posts. I was there and these comments appeared over a matter of minutes, not hours. People were clearly sitting at their computers waiting for the next post and comments were flying fast and furious.

If Den was half the man I think he is, he would come out and support me on this. But he has been quiet, not taking either side.

My position is that a reasonable person, not knowing all the facts of my case, would have viewed KHP's remarks that particular evening in April 2008, as being accusations of CP.

Anyone that was not there cannot say otherwise. Pennpaul already said that by innuendo, to him, it was meant to be CP. Let's hear from JAFA while we are at it.

What Pennpaul recalls is "CP by innuendo." WHat I recall was a series of 3 or 4 posts that ended with a clear accusation of CP...remarks like "why else would the police go after him like they did....it had to be CP in my opinion....anyone that involves children in their productions is sick".....bla...bla...ba. Typical KHP hurtful mean spirited rhetoric. That's the kind of comments I remember.

Prove me wrong.

[Dr Don]

KHP: The point I made is it was all the more vindictive and malicious of you to accuse me directly, indirectly, or otherwise of CP back in April 2008, because you should have known it was not CP. But you said someone told you it was. Was that your good friend Dennis that told you that? Who? Come on KHP, tell me who the person is that told you it was CP?

The excuse you offered of Geno editing your words that night is pure BS. Geno was as shocked as others to hear your comments that night and he did not have that kind of knowledge about my case. The only other people in that conversation that had the knowledge was me , Jafa, and Den. I assumed you were given correct info from Den years ago, but in the usual KHP manner it got spun around in your psycotic mind and spewed out as a weapon to defame me.

Thanks Don. You just made my point for me. I do know you didn't do porn so why on earth would I say you did CP? Very good point.

[Dr Don]

But Geno did not know enough about my case and it was three or for posts from you coming one after another with my responses and Dennis's responses in between. Geno jumped in at the end after I threatened to sue. So sorry, I don't care what Geno did after that day or before, I know on that evening he would not have had time to edit all of your posts that quickly...and if he did you would have said something that evening instead of waiting until July of this year.

I never said Dennis made an accusation of CP. I said, "I assumed you were given correct info from Den years ago, but in the usual KHP manner it got spun around in your psycotic mind and spewed out as a weapon to defame me".

I reference Exihibt B as the evidence of Geno's ability to change a post without the author of said post knowing about it or it being obvious to those looking at it.

http://www.femmefatalities.com/phpBB3/v ... &sk=t&sd=a

To my knowledge Dennis has never made any allegations of you doing CP either.

[Dr Don]

KHP: The statements you quote from Pennpaul should really be read by you again. He is clearly saying that his interpretation was CP.

Jafa also concurs with me on this. I have three eye witnesses who came out and said it was CP. You have none so far.

You can't prove me wrong.

[Dr Don]

No KHP, he was saying some people would see it as the same thing, he did not say he saw it as the same thing. He said the way you presented it, his opinion was you were saying CP.

And remember, that conversation is taking place long after April 2008, so he was not talking about what you said in April 2008, he was talking about what you were saying long after that.

Two different spiecies of animal there KHP.

You need to read them again. He says in his opionon, what I said was the same thing as CP. He said that he felt that showing adult material to a minor was the same thng as CP. Do you also agree with this definition of CP?

[Dr Don]

I don't know, it could very well be an edited post, because the previous ones you posted contradict that statement.

Let's get Pennpaul back here to find out? Maybe he will expose some funny business going on here, like the pot calling the kettle black.

Just saying.

[Bluestone]

These posts have been moved to a separate thread, because they have absolutely nothing to do with the original topic, which has been temporarily locked until all parties realize that this new thread is devoted to the apparently never-ending argument over 'the allegations'.

Bluestone for FF Administration

[Bluestone]

Well, it looks like everyone's gone home. Could it be that it finally sunk in that nothing positive was being accomplished here? As I suggested earlier, Paul does not have to support Don, if he doesn't want to, since he is not convinced that the minor-related allegations were dropped. Don cannot prove that they were in fact dropped, and we cannot blame him, since that type of evidence is usually not available. So, that should be an end to that issue.

Likewise, the allegation that Paul referred to CP on a DS thread is denied by Paul, and Don cannot prove that such an allegation was ever made by Paul. The quotes from Don's witness, Pennpaul, clearly state that Pennpaul merely assumed that Paul was referring to CP, simply because he referred to the minor. Obviously, it was Pennpaul, by drawing this faulty conclusion, who brought the whole issue of CP into play. No, Don, we will not be calling Pennpaul to give evidence on this message board. He would indeed be an uncredible and hostile witness as is obvious from his snipings from the sidelines at DS.

So, as I suggested several posts back, it is time for all parties to just agree to disagree and contribute to the other positive threads at FF. New Year's is approaching. How does that song go? "May old acquaintances be forgot and never brought to mind..."! Out with the old and in with the new, I say!

Blue