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Brilliant Paul-khp

I can say I don't hate anyone. Not Gobeil, not KHP, not even my X-wife, but I would not go as far as to say all producers in this genre don't hate women. In fact, I think some of the more fringe necro-sex producers very likely have issues with women, and that goes for some of the people who are addicted to the "vile" stuff.

So I am all for lines being drawn and respecting those lines.

Hello everyone. I just got finished with a double shoot.

Paul,

What this group is putting you through is disgusting and you have my sympathy as well as support.

This is one of the reasons I keep saying that (slowly over time) women who feel the way I do about erotic horror can change minds about it.

I have been stabbed in RL. Many people know this. The conspicuous scar on my belly in no mere routine operation.

I was stabbed...not by a necro guy either, but by a hit and run attacker who stole my diamond necklace.

(I have my doubts...but no proof...that an ex boyfriend put the guy up to it, but I am absolutely sure that it was NOT a necro guy.)

And where am I now?

Making erotic horror films.

Why?

Because they are sexy and have absolutely nothing to do with being murdered in real life.

I could give these busy bodies a real piece of my mind if permitted, but I am sure that for now they would just shrug their shoulders and say I am "brainwashed".

I believe the following: (And I know that at least Peter Cohen agrees with me)

My films provide a catharsis for people who have these fantasies and want to feel as though other people have the same sexual desires. These films help people to feel less disturbed about their dark thoughts. I actually believe that I may be saving a girl or two from a real life attack by mkaing my fantasy films and offering the catharsis they offer.

At very least I know that I am not causing anyone to go out and kill.

Just call me Doctor Dalila: fetish therapist.

I'll take the rapists for 200!

Those Celebrity Jeopardy skits on SNL were classics!

I wonder if "Sean" and Alex's mother ever thought about coupling sex and violence?

Well, fetishes aren't only the province of males. I had a girlfriend who would only have sex if I raped her. No, not with real violence to hurt her, but I had to drag her into the bedroom and overpower her.

Anyway, I am glad to see that Don and Paul are now speaking civilly to each other in a constructive way.

Paul still seems unconvinced that there wasn't some dark deeds in Don's case which caused him to be singled out; he makes what seems a good point in that having convicted Don, others would have been prosecuted in their turn.

As I have said, if there had ever been any evidence of child involvement, it would have been exploited to the full by police and prosecutors. That it wasn't, is to me conclusive proof that although there may have been at first a bit of smoke, there wasn't a fire. I think Paul is wrong to insinuate anything else, given that it's plain he hasn't any actual knowledge of the subject.

I think there is truth in the first explanation he put up. Police and Courts are an arrogant bunch, they are given power over our lives and in many cases they Glory in it. So the sort of criticisms that were made of them were like red rag to a bull. They took it real personal and that shows in what followed. Also, Don just had the bad luck to get some geeky crusading police officer have it in for him, despite the initial attitude of his superiors that there was no crime. Most officers would have closed the file, but that bible thumping bigot carried on regardless.

Paul's other question is, why was Don an isolated case? Why wasn't that the first of many?

I think that's simply answered. Firstly, without this maverick police officer, the case would never have got started. So that factor wouldn't have applied elsewhere. Secondly, I think the prosecution realised how lucky they have been to get a conviction at all. A combination of an incompetent defense attorney, a biased judge, and a gullible and prejudiced jury wasn't always going to come their way. Don has fought it tooth and nail and I have little doubt that when he gets a level playing field he will win. And I believe the prosecutors realise that too.

They have pursued this with malice against him because he had the temerity to criticise them. However, it's not an experience they would care to repeat; that's why the story begins and ends with Don, and why others (such as Blue) are not troubled.

There aren't any dark hidden secrets, Paul. The authorities really can be that bloody-minded and stupid.

Why don't you guys shake hands and have a beer? Or better yet, co-produce a really great gang girl shoot-out that would be awesome?

@Dalila,

is it okay to be a fan of you as a person, although I'm neither a fan nor a customer of what you're producing? Just asking, since you've said that you don't want fans. :-)

@all, and back to the actual topic at hand:

I would like to ask those who warn about hardcore material what they want to accomplish. Let's assume that you get all the established fetish producers to take down their explicit scenes and not to produce any new ones. Would that help?

The big mainstream porn companies came pretty late to the web, but now they're at it with a vengeance. They've also noticed that there's money in the niche fetishes market, and if they smell a profit, they go for it. This puts a lot of pressure on the established small fetish producers because they can't compete with the marketing power, production values or talent resources of the bigger companies. What they can do is to look for niches where the big companies aren't present. Fantasy Death is one of those niches.

We're already seeing this and we will see a lot more of it in the future - small fetish producers who have no ties to the community whatsoever coming into the death fetish market. And if they've produced hardcore before, it's probably the only thing they're good at and therefore, until it's proven to be illegal (and that's not the case in the US), they won't even consider not doing it.

One look at NicheClips shows that hardcore is a large segment of the death fetish market, one of the few segments which is still growing and not already saturated. The consequences of getting the established producers out of that segment are very easy to predict: more money to be made by newcomers. Only that these newcomers are outsiders, who may not know the basic rules: stay under the radar, don't advertise outside of the community, don't try to sell anything as real and so on. In other words, they are a much higher risk than the established producers.

You may end up with a Prohibition-Effect: making things much worse by trying to make things better.

Thank you, GraveDancer, for that different look into something that is going on in this industry. You hit the nail on the head, when you mentioned producers chasing the bucks. I presume we all realize, that money is what drives people to be in this business. It's no big secret.

The other great point you brought up is saturation. That is a twofold thing, as consumers want more variety and producers want to sell more product. In order for that to keep from saturating the market, producers feel they have to push the boundaries. They must feel, since sales have been slipping away, that they need to "shock" the sales ie: consumers, out of the downward slide. This is true in any sales oriented business. There will always be a point where product A hits a peak of sales. Then product A has to either be "new and improved" or another product added to the sales line. Again, no big secret.

Where does it go and, more importantly, where will it end? Shock value doesn't last forever, no more than what came before it. What do you do when you have nothing left to shock with and no more ideas that will increase the sales? What do you do when that saturation point is reached?




These are some thoughts I have floating in my head. I'm sure I can't be the only one who comes up with this stuff. Maybe this should be delved into deeper in this discussion?

Ahhhh....that would be the LAW that draws the line.

Each producer and web site owner should abide by the laws where they live, and by the laws in the country where their web site server exists.

If, having the law clarified or rewritten so we can all understand it is important to you, then your support will go a long way in getting that done by my lawyer. American's should not think the developement of Canadian Law will have no effect on them and the same goes the other way. Both Canada and the USA rely on each others Supreme Court decisions and quote them quite often.

Bluestone wrote:I agree with you in principle, Don, but practically speaking, who draws those lines................ So, who decides, Don? A very good question, indeed.

Blue