The Allegations and Arguments Continue - KHP and Don

[Dr Don]

Blue: You gave more of the same ole same ole ignoring the obvious. Opinions can be actionable when laced with deliberate falsehoods and innuendo that are clearly meant to cause damage to another person.

Once again, free speech is not a licence to defame others, unless you are KHP with a badge from Blue.

[Bluestone]

Thank you for your contribution to this discussion, Jafa, and for providing the information on your website, so that all who are interested in this case can educate themselves. This point was not raised earlier, but it makes sense. Cops often use allegations such as these to obtain search warrants. These warrants sometimes are limited to a search for specific items, but some are quite general. Once computers etc. are seized, further charges may be laid based upon what the search discloses.

Blue

[Dr Don]

JAFA: It's so obvious from the case history I don't know how all of these experts on my case missed that simple truth which well stated at the beginning of the case history with supporting evidence. It proves Blue's statement wrong in which he defends KHP above. Thanks for your comments. You got it right.

[Den-CnB]

While KHP continues to focus on the non-issue of child involvement, it is obvious from the case history that Don's website was under scrutiny before March 12th, 2000. The child involvement allegations surfaced in September 2000 and were used as a means to invade both Don's house and his brother (in Winnipeg). The case history documents identify the neighbor as well as the neighbor boy who are the source of the allegations. The case history also documents that FACS rejected the allegations and that OPP officials rejected the allegations as they might pertain to Don's children.My point

PSV, DrDon and his brother were under investigation long before the allegations of child involvement. It appears that Winnipeg took interst and viewed the PSV websites for reasons other than those continually spouted by KHP.

Jafa,

This sounds spot on in the manner law enforcement selectively 'enforces' any issues they as a group or individually don't like. I worked with enforcement groups that employed such tactics and felt they were dirt bags.

Den

[Bluestone]

Blue: You gave more of the same ole same ole ignoring the obvious. Opinions can be actionable when laced with deliberate falsehoods and innuendo that are clearly meant to cause damage to another person.

Once again, free speech is not a licence to defame others, unless you are KHP with a badge from Blue.

It's the innuendos and falsehood that are at issue. What are they? I've already dealt with the accusations of falsehoods against Paul based upon the disappearing DS posts. I see no other falsehoods or innuendos. Marshall KHP-Paul does not have a badge from... Ooops, I mean, Paul does not have a badge from me

You are citing malicious intent, but you have not proven it. Without malicious intent and falsehood, there is no defamation. You should know that, Don. I was not being simplistic by calling Paul's statements 'opinions'. That is what they are. I see nothing actionable. Maybe it's these rose-coloured glasses of mine

Blue

[Dr Don]

Blue:

You are ignoring the evidence that was just given to you by JAFA. You have ignored key posts by KHP. You have ignored KHP's motives. You have ignored the fact that I have asked KHP over and over again to stop talking about this topic and stop repeating himself over and over again. The evidence you seek is in front of your face.

I know this is your site, but since you have stated that you want this to end, please stop fanning the flames, because your comments are antagonistic and do nothing to help end this matter.

[Dr Don]

Well, if asking Blue to look at you past comments is dragging you through mud, then I suggest your own comments are indeed the MUD that you are FEELING dragged through.

I am not attacking you. I am trying to enlighten Blue and others.

Have a nice day.

[jafa]

paul
why don't just take your meds and admit you were WRONG in stating that the "youth involved" investigation started the whole case. the proof was there all the time.

[Dr Don]

Jafa, instead of admitting he was wrong, now he brings up this elaborate story about conspiracy and demands proof of a conspiracy.

Perhaps he should see a doctor and get some meds.

[Bluestone]

Jafa's evidence was very helpful, Don, but he just brought it up now. You never did. How can you blame Paul for not knowing this, when you're the undisputed expert on your own case, and you never raised it.

I simply asked what you feel constitutes falsehoods and malice, and until you provide actual, clear, in context quotes that Paul made that constitutes either falsehoods or malice, you should not make such accusations, and just let the matter rest. Did Paul actually say that your case started with the minor allegations, or did he simply ask if they did, or quote material from Jafa's site? I have my eyes wide open, Don, but I see nothing that indicates that Paul is maliciously spreading falsehoods with the intention of defaming you. Perhaps someone else does, but I haven't seen anyone other than Jafa take this stand. After all, if no one's perception of you has changed as a result of these alleged malicious falsehoods, where are your damages?

I for one am sick and tired of this merry-go-round discussion. Don, you said that you were content to end this and that Paul was continuing this discussion. I read your posts on DS fanning the fires and insulting Paul, calling him an idiot, etc., and Pennpaul and Matrix were also there on the sidelines. That is what kept the flames burning here.

Now, until there is something of substance raised here, I for one am taking care of more important matters... which could well be filing my fingernails

I would suggest that you not spend New Year's Eve here, like you spent Christmas Eve. No merry-go-round discussion is worth missing the marking of these much more important celebrations!

Good night!

Blue

[jafa]

I fear, Bluestone, that you perpetuate your unequivical support for KHP in your challenge to DrDon . The question regarding my presentation and your fact that DrDon hadn't raised the timeline before is an example of how you support KHP at DrDon's expense. Shame on you.

Your question is not relevant given that the information was readily available all along. Do not waste my time pointing out that Smudger made no mention of the timeline either. He fulfilled his purpose and agenda.

And do not waste your members time referring to DS and those who comment there. Their comments pertain to DrDon, who has acknowledged them with gratitude. As I see it and throughout these many message strings, KHP needs no incitement whatever to put forth is continuing condemnation of DrDon. He just does it. And with your help he has had several opportunities to preach his gospel because you split off the messages in KHP's favor.

Now as an example of allegations, I set for that KHP is alleged to be a front for the Ft Francis crown and prosecutors. His mission is to keep the child involvement issues in the public eye such that DrDon must defend himself. As KHP has challenged for evidence that child involvement was rejected, I challenge KHP to prove that he isn't working for the crown.

And BTW, thank you Bluestone for taking the risk to identify your location in world geography. I can only wonder what the crown agents will do with that informaton.

[Dr Don]

Jafa's evidence was very helpful, Don, but he just brought it up now. You never did. How can you blame Paul for not knowing this, when you're the undisputed expert on your own case, and you never raised it.
Blue

I didn't bring it up because the case history was posted in 2001 on PSV and available there until the end of 2002.

It has also been available on InjusticeBusters.com since 2001.

It was put up on DrDon.org in 2005 and then transfered to jafaentertainment.com. So since 2001 it has been available. So the case history with links has been around and is old news.

When jafa posted a link to it here, it was expected people would read it and understand it. The first few paragraphs state the facts and link to the evidence Jafa just gave.

But KHP cherry picked information out of context and spun it to suit his own agenda, rather than read and accept the simple facts as they are presented.

Once again Blue, you attempt to put the blame on me, rather than put the blame on someones ignorance and willingness to ignore facts that don't support their belief.

Nice!

[Bluestone]

Okay, since you have stated no evidence of your allegations against Paul, and prefer to simply accuse me of siding with him, I will simply let the members decide.

Blue

[smudger]

Elementary, my dear Glock. It is because some of the posts made by Pennpaul before he left us were attempts to twist the case against Paul.

[Dr Don]

Smudger, those were attempts by Pennpaul to set the record straight and clear up the confusion caused by KHP.

Blue: The evidence is in the last three threads plus July, August and September.

I note you removed some from a John Matrix post where he basically said certain individuals without naming names had no place condemning Geno because they had done worse. KHP, convicted by his own guilt, without having been named, responded in a caustic manner. It become so heated that you deleted posts made by KHP in an obvious effort to save KHP from a possible civil action, and you removed a portion of J M's post that should never have been removed.

So why should I have to go through all the posts and copy and paste the evidence I have here for you. It's on your site, just read through the innuendo laden posts of KHP.

And I told you, just repeating his position over and over again is for no other purpose than to repeat old dead allegations over and over again after I asked him not to do it, is prove of vindictiveness. People have lost their jobs and even taken their own lives as a result of allegations and accusations like the one's KHP keeps harping on.

I also told you that you are indifferent and insensitive to what this is doing to me.

You have the evidence already, so just sift through it and stop ignoring the obvious. This isn't rocket science Blue.