A Violence Against Women Site?

[Bluestone]

Is that what FF is? One poster on the Nyghtfall review thread has referred to our fetish in this way, plus called it an abuse fetish. Yes, we love to watch sexy women being abused and killed, but is this need for "violence against women" because we hate women or because we enjoy the sexualized fantasy death of women for other reasons? Has the makeup of our membership changed over the years? Is it time to reassess the majority view here, and to discuss what really floats our boats.

Please participate in the anonymous poll above, but also share your thoughts on this issue. I'm only one person. I know my thoughts, likes, dislikes and how I deal with this fetish, but it would be good to take the pulse of those currently frequenting this forum with respect to the issues raised herein.

Blue

[tommygun]

I LOVE women. I can't imagine actually hurting one, and never have in any way. But, perhaps because of the conflict in my parents' marriage and the film noir movies my mom took me to, when I was very young, I wound up having these fantasies about bad girls getting their comeuppance and it merged with my growing sexual awareness and urges. I've been excited about shootings, blood, and the like ever since. On the other side, I support a large number of women's rights charities and political action groups, and various women's health charities and activities. Bottom line, I love these creatures, even though sometimes I don't understand them fully!

[Bluestone]

Well, the results so far bear out my gut feeling about the majority of the FF members' feelings about women. Of course, that's only on the basis of 13 votes. We'll see what the weekend poll results bring.

Blue

[Pennpaul]

One point presently missed is the psychology of violent fantasy control of wild women. I imagine the same applies to wild women desiring violent abuse of men and other women.

Norman Bates wouldn't hurt a fly, ..... yet .....

[Striktured]

I love women as well, but this is most definitely abuse porn and a fetish about committing acts of violence against them. It turns us on and that's why we watch and are willing to pay for the material. There are certainly different levels of the passion, but like it or not, that's clearly why the majority of us are here.

How many 'men getting murdered' videos do people here buy every year? Right.

It doesn't have to make you feel guilty. It's mainly about power, but women are the focus. For myself, the more believable the female character, the more brutal her strangulation, the more vicious her assault, the more likely I am to pay top dollar for this material. It isn't cheap. That's why I personally gravitated towards PST and PKF over all the other producers. I enjoy PST's holy trinity: neck wounds, vomit drool at death, and the woman pissing herself as she dies. I love to see them suffer. I love when the sexual assault are brutal and have motivation and purpose. Sadly, he has forsaken the pissing and the rest isn't top notch like it once was either. Sadly he isn't alone as much of the industry seems to have gone south over the last couple of years. He was once getting so good and violent...But apparently many have stopped buying this fetish as the quality suffers. That's life.

I'm not attempting to troll or ruffle feathers. That's why we are here, and producers should likely take heed. Of course, guys like JohnM and bill Brooks aren't stupid. They know. Take a look at the abuseporn groups, Tumbler and sites like DFN. The younger generation likes it even harder, more brutal...it's just how they are being raised by mother internet. When a GIF or fan made scene from this fetish shows up and gets 1000+ likes, it usually a PST or PKF scene where the female victim is bruised, beaten, battered, strangled and being sexually assaulted hard while dead.

Not that there's isn't plenty of room for the softer Bluestone type custom producers. Obviously they seem to do well. There's just not room for an entire industry of them.

That said, as this board seems to reflect the softer side of the industry, I will certainly watch my step with my demeanor. Just remember, the types of opinions you get to queries will always reflect the type of individual with which you choose to surround yourself. This board reflects Bluestone and the softer side of the fetish.

I love this fetish. The more brutal and real, the better. I accept myself and I'm happy with it. and yeas, my relationships with women are excellent. I don't know why I love it so, I just do. Ever since I was a little squirt.

[Bluestone]

Hi Striktured,

Interesting that your perception is that "this board seems to reflect the softer side of the industry", and you may be right. We do feature many harder focused producers here, but I agree that many of my customers frequent this site and may be more comfortable with the softer side of the industry, i.e. no graphic sex, etc.

Notwithstanding the differences between soft and hard preferences, you seem to agree that you love women, and that your fantasy death fetish is something that is unconnected with your real feelings toward real women.

I think the poll is overwhelmingly painting the same picture for those who have participated. Our fantasies are just that... fantasies... not desires of what we'd like to have happen in real life.

When I shoot with my actresses, as you can probably appreciate from the out-takes, we have a good time, and we all get along quite well. The girls aren't creeped out by the content of the scenarios, and feel totally safe in my presence, even when I shoot alone with them in secluded locations. The last thing that I'd want to do is hurt any of those lovely ladies, but oh what dark fantasies I have about them... ones that I can't even put onto film.

Guilty? No, of course we shouldn't feel guilty any more than we would if we watch a murder mystery on prime time TV. Enjoying a cinematic murder is not the same as committing a real life one, after all.

Peter named his film company Catharsis Erotica many years ago. What an insightful guy he is. Catharsis has been defined as:
1. the act or process of releasing a strong emotion (such as pity or fear) especially by expressing it in an art form; and,
2. elimination of a complex by bringing it to consciousness and affording it expression

Isn't this exactly what we are doing? Masturbating to these images is also a form of release... literally! Right?

Blue

[uncle_buck]

I'll admit that it isn't often that I find myself in agreement with "The Majority", but in this case I am.

I love women. Particularly those that are young(ish) and attractive. Where would any of us be without them?

Now please bear with me if I wax somewhat "philosophical".

"Sex" confuses this issue as it does about everthing else you can name, so we shall note it as "accepted as a given" and dispassionately set it aside.

William Shakespeare is credited with having written "Romeo and Juliet" early in his career somewhere between 1591-95.
The world has been fond of Tragedy certainly ever since and in all probability several thousand years before that.
And "tragedy" in the broadest sense of the word is how I am inclined to view the loss of any of "our" Females of Fantasy. They are in all ways desirable and their "death" is our "loss". Hence - a "tragedy".

A "plot ploy" that we used to see in the movies - particularly "westerns" and those of the "Sword & Sandals" variety - was the woman who was so enamored of the hero that she gives her life in his defense. It is she who suddenly dives between him and the Bad Guy - and in so doing takes the spear, knife, arrow, or bullet that was clearly intended for the hero.
I will occasionaly think of "my Amazons" as being my Guardian Angels in a similar manner ... Can you imagine anyone literally giving her life for another. Not rationally I cannot. That's why it's in the Realm of Fantasy.

We aren't "Women Haters" folks ... We're an assortment of "Hopeless Romantics!"

[elsullo]

For a mean old pervert badguy, I am just a softie. I never lose track of what is fantasy fun and what might be real life. I just kinda adore women, and crave to OWN them utterly, and to POSSESS their surrender to me and their adoration of me for desiring them so much. I don't want to harm them or degrade them in any way or make them suffer, I want even MORE, to CONSUME their complete surrender to me: pretending to DIE for me, for my adoring affection for them. That's why the power-exchange sex games of dominance/submission are so fun, and why the "extreme" forms of porn are so important to me. Women are so gorgeous, I want to love them to DEATH and own their ultimate sacrifice to me and my passion for them! Somebody once said (me), "Death is the ultimate orgasm---DIE for me my darling!".........................elsullo (Sweetie, could I softly wrap my big hands around your pretty neck while I kiss you?)

[Striktured]

Do you think that a long time poster on this site would really dare to say anything contrary to the majority? Particularly if they wanted to belong? It may be hard to truly get an honest opinion with questions like this one. Not that I feel anyone truly hates women here. I really doubt individuals such as that could be truly satisfied by an adult fetish.

It's funny seeing this type of question asked again and again in so many various ways. We all try to attempt to sound articulate, or show how rational we are when explaining why we indulge in these types of films.

Sometimes I just want to...

Because seeing these types of films really fucking turns me on!

You have no idea how much I enjoy seeing innocent women hunted, strangled and viciously used by a serial killer type. The more realistic and brutal, the better.

That's about it. It's not an articulate answer and it won't help someone relate that does not already understand my passion for this product. It really doesn't matter if you are into innocent women, bad girls, less graphic kills, or a fan of hyper-brutal scenarios like myself. In the end, we all watch because it really turns us on. I rarely even attempt to understand my passion for it any longer. Questions like this are posed often in the community and always interesting to ponder. While they are a great way to relate to other fans of the fetish, the only way I feel I could ever completely give a straightforward answer to the question is to say: I enjoy it because it really fucking turns me on! Like, you have no idea dude...

Maybe it's just that simple.

[Max5s]

Yeah. I think there is a lot of rationalization when it comes to this topic. This fetish is all about depicting violence against women. It is what it is.

[elsullo]

Well, we have different ideas of what "is" is then. This is all PRETEND violence, consensual acting out of fantasy roles of fantasy domination/submission. Nobody actually gets hurt in this genre; I for one would go somewhere else if it was real. There are sadistic "gore sites" for that, not here. For me it would not be fun or erotic if anyone was actually harmed. It's about PLAY.......................elsullo

[Striktured]

Well, we have different ideas of what "is" is then. This is all PRETEND violence, consensual acting out of fantasy roles of fantasy domination/submission. Nobody actually gets hurt in this genre; I for one would go somewhere else if it was real. There are sadistic "gore sites" for that, not here. For me it would not be fun or erotic if anyone was actually harmed. It's about PLAY.......................elsullo

If you are addressing my comment, then I'm afraid there may be a language barrier issue here. You seem to be mistaking my use of the term "realistic" for "real."

Obviously no one wants to genuinely see someone get hurt for our entertainment. I'm also fairly certain such material would be highly illegal to produce.

[Grace X]

Guys, I adore you...and honestly I feel adored when I indulge in my own death fetish fantasies. One aspect of this discussion that gets overlooked quite often in talks like this is how female death fetishists feel about our fantasies. I never feel abused in this world of erotic play. Never. The men I know in our community are, if anything, some of the most considerate, thoughtful, creative individuals I've ever met...they are concerned about my pleasure in roleplaying and fantasy films and stories...they are generous in making the experience far more akin to lovers' interaction.

As most know I am the moderator over at the FetNoir board, and many of the women of our community come and hang out there...believe me, if you see our fantasies, many are as hard and rough as anything from a man's perspective...and there is also a softer side, including dark romance, adventure themes, and much more in the feminine approach to erotic death fetishism.

There is also an aspect of the fetish that includes men and women sharing and exchanging death fantasies (with women dishing out death as well as being done in)...and there are guys who enjoy this as well. My point is when men talk about an erotic fetish that includes the sexy death of women, they can get great perspective by actually talking to the women who share your fetish! We are, you will find, a smart, sensual, empowered and aware group of gals. Ending up dead and ravished is something we choose to experience.

Blue, I think rather than a violence against women site, your board is one where women are greatly respected...you yourself are a wonderful friend, and kind of a knight in shining armor to me, if the truth be told.

A woman who fantasizes about erotic death is not a victim. We are equal partners with our male friends in this community, sharing pleasures that give us mutual fulfillment and even joy.

[xj900uk]

Me, I'm crude, plain and simple.
I love women... no, make that, I lust after women. And I love it when a beautiful woman dies glamorously and sexily on either the big or the small screen, or in print...

[Grace X]

Oh I rightly confess my own motivation for seeking out fantasies of erotic death is lust! Lord, sexual death-fantasy turns me on like nothing else...the result of complex psychological and physical triggers that were hardwired into me very early in my sexual awakening. And those triggers do not involve any kind of abuse. I had no abuse in my personal history...but a very strong sexual drive (my husband teases me that his epitaph is going to read "My nymphomaniac wife finally wore me out", lol). That drive got linked to erotic death from the influence of movies, comics, books and other media, and has run rampant in my passions ever since.