The Allegations and Arguments Continue - KHP and Don

[smudger]

Paul- what evidence do you have that it DID happen? If you were to produce ANYTHING- a report from the internet, file copies of the papers from that era, whatever- showing that the "minor" angle was brought up in the trial, everyone would sit up and listen- and I would be the first, I can assure you!

How would you like it if someone said "Paul, I say you are a child molester, now you prove different if it's not true"? That's the situation you are putting Don in. An allegation is not evidence of anything.

And, if you think about it, it's not even logical for the reasons Dalila put forward. All of us, including yourself, are united that Dr. Don's stuff is not porn. Even if the lad had seen it, although I am certain he did not, he still wasn't exposed to porn, was he?

It's all too easy to "fit someone up" where malice is involved. I understand you yourself were the victim of a fabrication with what happened on the other board, a post attributed to you but which you vehemently deny making?

[Dr Don]

KHP: Please click this link.
http://helpguide.org/mental/schizophren ... upport.htm

I am truly hoping you get well soon. Life is too short to live it without the help you need.

Good luck.

[Dr Don]

Paul: seriously....click the link I posted above.
Call your doc and make an appointment.
I'm rooting for you bud.

[jafa]

posted by john matrix on DS

Smudger: Harrison was out of the picture a long time ago. It's been Gobeil and Williams since September 2000....the "guesome twosome".

I see KHP is a spoiled sport and doesn't want to drop it.

DrDon accepted the entire decision except the assertion that there was no malice on KHP's part.

Sorry Smudger, but I agree with DrDon that there is plenty of malice and I can flip through a lot of his comments made in the last two years and pull out the proof if you want me too.

Look at his comment today for example.

KHP states: What proof do we have that it wasn't brought up in the trial? I have only seen a couple of very small blurbs from the trial. It hardly contains everything that happened. The only thing saying showing this to minors was not brought up in court are Jafa and Don's words. That's hearsay. I must say, if I ever end up in court, I hope it is a court exactly like this one. lol You all throw the baby out with the bath water!

My response to KHP is this:

Paul of KHP,

I stuck up for you the other day when someone said you eat $hit sandwiches.

I told them, "ya but he says doesn't like the bread."

Prove it never happened KHP, and prove to me you don't eat $hit.


What if I said you slept with a teddy bear and sucked your thumb 9 years ago? Prove you didn't.

What if I said you were a fudge packing gaytheist 9 years ago? Prove you were not KHP.

What if I said you were a dope smoking dope growing outlaw 9 years ago? Prove you weren't.

What if I said you were involved in 911? Prove you are not.

What if I said you were a fart smeller trying to become a smart feller. Prove me wrong KHP.

What if I said you are a sore loser and a spoiled sport? Prove me wrong.

Do you see how stupid this line of thinking is?
I can go on and on all day long KHP.

You are asking people to prove a negative. People are innocent until proven guilty. An allegation that is unsubstantiated convicts no one. It does not require a person to prove their innocence.

Just STFU while you are still ahead.

smudger

I consider his recent posts as proof of khp's malice.
even when all was said and done and the waters quieting khp has to try starting the crap all over again.

[Dr Don]

Thanks Jafa.

Anyone not seeing the malice in KHP's conduct has to be blind and dead from the neck up, or, entirely without empathy or feelings....basically a sociopath who blames the victim.

[smudger]

Jafa,
Just to make it clear, because it wasn't to me at first:

All of your quote is what was posted by John Matrix, none of it was what I had written.

I think I have made my opinion on this issue very plain. And it is very difficult to prove a negative. Is there anywhere that a transcript of this trial can be conveniently located to show that this kid's allegations were never raised? It would save everyone from(as I put on the DS thread by way of analogy) arguing about what was in the contract, rather than producing the contract itself?

For example, is there accessible a list of witnesses called by the Prosecution? If the boy was not called as a witness, then any allegation which he had made could not have been put before the Court.

[Dr Don]

So now wanting proof of something is a crime. What's next? I guess if you showed me any official documents that actually accused me of anything substantial then I would work to make sure there was official document showing the accusations were false. I wouldn't be on here trying to just convince people that he's wanting proof we don't have because of malice or because he's crazy. That is definitely not the kind of defense I would put on. I consider this a serious accusation and I'm letting Don have the stage here to clear the air of it once in for all but I won't take hearsay for an answer. All he has to do is go get some written official document that all those allegations were false. There has to be something in print. Allegations like that don't just disappear into thin air.

Paul

If the allegations were true, charges would result. Provide evidence of the charges because you are the one believing someone else's ellegations....someone you nver even met before...LOL. You believe allegations from someone you never met before because it plays into your self serving malicious agenda. Prove the allegations were legit KHP. Prove it.

I don't have to prove anything. Your the one that is being the accuser here...so you prove it.

[Dr Don]

Jafa,
Just to make it clear, because it wasn't to me at first:

All of your quote is what was posted by John Matrix, none of it was what I had written.

I think I have made my opinion on this issue very plain. And it is very difficult to prove a negative. Is there anywhere that a transcript of this trial can be conveniently located to show that this kid's allegations were never raised? It would save everyone from(as I put on the DS thread by way of analogy) arguing about what was in the contract, rather than producing the contract itself?

For example, is there accessible a list of witnesses called by the Prosecution? If the boy was not called as a witness, then any allegation which he had made could not have been put before the Court.

Jeeeeeezuuuuzzz you guys. The kid was not called to give evidence. No evidence was led regarding any of the allegations because the allegations, and the people that made them, were full of shit.

Smudger, if it was an issue at trial the judge would have said so. Did you not read Judge Peirce's sentencing decision? It's the first link in blue on the list at the top of the RvSmith page. Read it. There is no mention of any of the allegations.

This present rant by KHP is more evidence of malice. It is also symptomatic of obsessive compulsive disorder. I don't need to be a doctor to see it, or to state my belief about that.
It's also evidence of sociopathic behavior and paranoia. We have victimization, blaming the victim, lack of emothion or empathy for his victim, etc.

[Dr Don]

You go ahead Paul.
Why would I do it? I already have the transcripts.
Since I had the transcripts made for the prelim, application hearings and two trials at a cost of 3.75 per page, you only have to pay 50 cents a page. So be my guest and order copies at 50 cents a page. Or phone the cops themselves. But be warned, all of your statements on this site, and anywhere else I find them, are being copied and backed up to be used against you later in a civil action. Your conduct, will also be used against you to support defamation with malice. So I will ask you as I have several times already to just drop it and move on.

[smudger]

I am going to reserve my judgment until I have done a bit more research, gentlemen.
Smudge J.

[Dr Don]

Defending it will cost you in the neighborhood of 20K, so think again.

Prove that the allegations were legit and there were charges associated with them...prove it.

[Dr Don]

Paul: PM me with your address so I can mail you the evidence you are demanding. Thanks.

[Dr Don]

No, my scanner/copier broke down so I need a physical address. Or, if you buy me a new scanner/copier/printer then I can do it and email them in digital form.

I prefer a photo quality one with an 6 or 8 color cartridge, preferably and Epson.

Thanks.

[Dr Don]

It's not the allegations made by others that I see as an issue. What is an issue is the way you are presenting them in a defamatory manner, and you are packaging them with your own inuendo and vexatious allegations for vindictive and malicious reasons.

I've had several people email me and PM me who state it is now obvious KHP.

I asked you to move on several times and just drop it.

Once again, Please drop it KHP.

[Bluestone]

Well, gentlemen, here we are again... just where we were a few days ago. It is absolutely amazing to me that we are stuck on this very minor issue, after having cleared the air and, I thought, resolved these matters in a manner which both parties could deal with, even though neither side won their arguments on a 100% basis... which very seldom happens in court, or in life.

Might I suggest that we just agree to disagree, and walk away from this issue. This is the reason why... IT JUST AIN'T WORTH IT!!! Here we are faced with two of the premiere f/x producers in this community threatening court action against one another on a thread that should be dedicated to all of us working together to protect our community from undue retaliation by the authorities... and you guys are going to take this shit to court??? Give me a break.

Here it is, plain and simple:

1. When allegations are made, the person accused of the allegations is innocent until proven guilty. If they are serious allegations involving minors, NO ONE wants to be seen to be sweeping such allegations under the rug. In Canada, EVERYONE, not just cops, have an obligation to report crimes against minors, i.e. child abuse and the like. If these allegations resulted in charges being laid, there would be a record. If these charges were proceeded with in the prosecution of Dr. Don, they would have to have been dealt with in the judge's decision. They were not. End of story. Unless Dr. Don sues for a written apology at great expense, there would be ABSOLUTELY NO DOCUMENT IN EXISTENCE TO SAY THAT THESE ALLEGATIONS WERE FALSE. Paul, if you can't accept this, then don't support Dr. Don. That is your own choice anyway... but going around in circles on this issue will do nothing but give you an overwhelming headache;

2. Don, I see no malice here. Paul is asking for proof of something that you cannot supply. You have offered to supply the full court transcripts at less than you paid for them. I know how much paperwork we're talking about, and its probably in the hundreds of page range. I know you're getting frustrated with this whole issue, but the repeated requests for more evidence regarding your case cannot be considered malice without any hard evidence that Paul is actually attempting to harm your reputation. I think everybody understands your position here. I think it's quite clear. No one will blame you for not producing what you do not have, but counter-allegations of malice and psychological problems as against Paul are damaging and could be considered to be malice;

So, let us all drop this issue, and agree to disagree.

Blue