The Allegations and Arguments Continue - KHP and Don

[Den-CnB]

While KHP continues to focus on the non-issue of child involvement, it is obvious from the case history that Don's website was under scrutiny before March 12th, 2000. The child involvement allegations surfaced in September 2000 and were used as a means to invade both Don's house and his brother (in Winnipeg). The case history documents identify the neighbor as well as the neighbor boy who are the source of the allegations. The case history also documents that FACS rejected the allegations and that OPP officials rejected the allegations as they might pertain to Don's children.My point

PSV, DrDon and his brother were under investigation long before the allegations of child involvement. It appears that Winnipeg took interst and viewed the PSV websites for reasons other than those continually spouted by KHP.

Jafa,

This sounds spot on in the manner law enforcement selectively 'enforces' any issues they as a group or individually don't like. I worked with enforcement groups that employed such tactics and felt they were dirt bags.

Den

[Bluestone]

Blue: You gave more of the same ole same ole ignoring the obvious. Opinions can be actionable when laced with deliberate falsehoods and innuendo that are clearly meant to cause damage to another person.

Once again, free speech is not a licence to defame others, unless you are KHP with a badge from Blue.

It's the innuendos and falsehood that are at issue. What are they? I've already dealt with the accusations of falsehoods against Paul based upon the disappearing DS posts. I see no other falsehoods or innuendos. Marshall KHP-Paul does not have a badge from... Ooops, I mean, Paul does not have a badge from me

You are citing malicious intent, but you have not proven it. Without malicious intent and falsehood, there is no defamation. You should know that, Don. I was not being simplistic by calling Paul's statements 'opinions'. That is what they are. I see nothing actionable. Maybe it's these rose-coloured glasses of mine

Blue

[Dr Don]

Blue:

You are ignoring the evidence that was just given to you by JAFA. You have ignored key posts by KHP. You have ignored KHP's motives. You have ignored the fact that I have asked KHP over and over again to stop talking about this topic and stop repeating himself over and over again. The evidence you seek is in front of your face.

I know this is your site, but since you have stated that you want this to end, please stop fanning the flames, because your comments are antagonistic and do nothing to help end this matter.

[Dr Don]

Well, if asking Blue to look at you past comments is dragging you through mud, then I suggest your own comments are indeed the MUD that you are FEELING dragged through.

I am not attacking you. I am trying to enlighten Blue and others.

Have a nice day.

[jafa]

paul
why don't just take your meds and admit you were WRONG in stating that the "youth involved" investigation started the whole case. the proof was there all the time.

[Dr Don]

Jafa, instead of admitting he was wrong, now he brings up this elaborate story about conspiracy and demands proof of a conspiracy.

Perhaps he should see a doctor and get some meds.

[Bluestone]

Jafa's evidence was very helpful, Don, but he just brought it up now. You never did. How can you blame Paul for not knowing this, when you're the undisputed expert on your own case, and you never raised it.

I simply asked what you feel constitutes falsehoods and malice, and until you provide actual, clear, in context quotes that Paul made that constitutes either falsehoods or malice, you should not make such accusations, and just let the matter rest. Did Paul actually say that your case started with the minor allegations, or did he simply ask if they did, or quote material from Jafa's site? I have my eyes wide open, Don, but I see nothing that indicates that Paul is maliciously spreading falsehoods with the intention of defaming you. Perhaps someone else does, but I haven't seen anyone other than Jafa take this stand. After all, if no one's perception of you has changed as a result of these alleged malicious falsehoods, where are your damages?

I for one am sick and tired of this merry-go-round discussion. Don, you said that you were content to end this and that Paul was continuing this discussion. I read your posts on DS fanning the fires and insulting Paul, calling him an idiot, etc., and Pennpaul and Matrix were also there on the sidelines. That is what kept the flames burning here.

Now, until there is something of substance raised here, I for one am taking care of more important matters... which could well be filing my fingernails

I would suggest that you not spend New Year's Eve here, like you spent Christmas Eve. No merry-go-round discussion is worth missing the marking of these much more important celebrations!

Good night!

Blue

[jafa]

I fear, Bluestone, that you perpetuate your unequivical support for KHP in your challenge to DrDon . The question regarding my presentation and your fact that DrDon hadn't raised the timeline before is an example of how you support KHP at DrDon's expense. Shame on you.

Your question is not relevant given that the information was readily available all along. Do not waste my time pointing out that Smudger made no mention of the timeline either. He fulfilled his purpose and agenda.

And do not waste your members time referring to DS and those who comment there. Their comments pertain to DrDon, who has acknowledged them with gratitude. As I see it and throughout these many message strings, KHP needs no incitement whatever to put forth is continuing condemnation of DrDon. He just does it. And with your help he has had several opportunities to preach his gospel because you split off the messages in KHP's favor.

Now as an example of allegations, I set for that KHP is alleged to be a front for the Ft Francis crown and prosecutors. His mission is to keep the child involvement issues in the public eye such that DrDon must defend himself. As KHP has challenged for evidence that child involvement was rejected, I challenge KHP to prove that he isn't working for the crown.

And BTW, thank you Bluestone for taking the risk to identify your location in world geography. I can only wonder what the crown agents will do with that informaton.

[Dr Don]

Jafa's evidence was very helpful, Don, but he just brought it up now. You never did. How can you blame Paul for not knowing this, when you're the undisputed expert on your own case, and you never raised it.
Blue

I didn't bring it up because the case history was posted in 2001 on PSV and available there until the end of 2002.

It has also been available on InjusticeBusters.com since 2001.

It was put up on DrDon.org in 2005 and then transfered to jafaentertainment.com. So since 2001 it has been available. So the case history with links has been around and is old news.

When jafa posted a link to it here, it was expected people would read it and understand it. The first few paragraphs state the facts and link to the evidence Jafa just gave.

But KHP cherry picked information out of context and spun it to suit his own agenda, rather than read and accept the simple facts as they are presented.

Once again Blue, you attempt to put the blame on me, rather than put the blame on someones ignorance and willingness to ignore facts that don't support their belief.

Nice!

[Bluestone]

Okay, since you have stated no evidence of your allegations against Paul, and prefer to simply accuse me of siding with him, I will simply let the members decide.

Blue

[smudger]

Elementary, my dear Glock. It is because some of the posts made by Pennpaul before he left us were attempts to twist the case against Paul.

[Dr Don]

Smudger, those were attempts by Pennpaul to set the record straight and clear up the confusion caused by KHP.

Blue: The evidence is in the last three threads plus July, August and September.

I note you removed some from a John Matrix post where he basically said certain individuals without naming names had no place condemning Geno because they had done worse. KHP, convicted by his own guilt, without having been named, responded in a caustic manner. It become so heated that you deleted posts made by KHP in an obvious effort to save KHP from a possible civil action, and you removed a portion of J M's post that should never have been removed.

So why should I have to go through all the posts and copy and paste the evidence I have here for you. It's on your site, just read through the innuendo laden posts of KHP.

And I told you, just repeating his position over and over again is for no other purpose than to repeat old dead allegations over and over again after I asked him not to do it, is prove of vindictiveness. People have lost their jobs and even taken their own lives as a result of allegations and accusations like the one's KHP keeps harping on.

I also told you that you are indifferent and insensitive to what this is doing to me.

You have the evidence already, so just sift through it and stop ignoring the obvious. This isn't rocket science Blue.

[Bluestone]

Don,

Those posts were deleted with the consent of the posters, not by me unilaterally. You know that full well, since I was in email communication with you and John Matrix at the time. Perhaps you memory is faulty on this point, Don, but you actually threatened legal action if I didn't take those posts down, since you considered them to be libelous. I obtained the consent of the posters, Matrix and Paul, and removed those controversial posts. You have asked me to remove other posts since then, but I have refused. You know my policy now, Don. It is for this very reason that I am reluctant to interfere with posts, even with the consent of the posters, because then people can unjustly accuse me of editing the record, just as you have. Shame on you, Don.

It is a New Year, and I see no reason to belabour this subject any longer. I will leave the poll up for a few days. Any member, including Glock45, can vote. Once I have my straw poll, I will state FF Administration's formal position on this issue.

Good night, all. I hope 2010 will be a much better year that 2009

Blue

[Dr Don]

KHP said:
Yeah, well let me go on record now as saying I do not, repeat, do NOT think JohnM's work is trash or garbage or any of those other words used to describe it just now and I believe that talk to be degrading as well.

I never said this, it's a malicious lie.

KHP said: The point is we were lied to as to what started this and made to think it was a gov't sting against Don and our freedoms.
http://www.femmefatalities.com/phpBB3/v ... a&start=30
I never did any such thing, this is a malicious lie.

KHP said: Personally I can see why you would leave those details out of the story because I don't think you would have gotten the support you did if you did tell us about it.

That statement is offensive and malicious. The innuendo is I held back some evil truth out of fear I would not get support. KHP said this because he wants people to believe it. He did not say it because he wants to be my pal.

KHP said: You told people in secret that you were going to put me out of business if it was the last thing you did.
http://www.femmefatalities.com/phpBB3/v ... a&start=45

I never said any such thing, this is a malicious lie.

KHP said: As far as I'm concerned, you completely broke the cardinal rule number one in this community by calling some one sick for their fantasies.

I never called the person sick. This is a malicious lie.

After correcting KHP here is what he said:

On the other issue, I stand by my feelings on calling ANY producers work trash in public forum when you ARE a producer, especially when you are in a court battle and that is how they reference your work. I find that highly hypocritical. And I stand by my feelings on ever degrading fellow members and telling them they need help until they express feelings of doing real harm to others or themselves. From the articles I've read, Don, unless I'm mistaken, I am much older than you.

This was his first lie on page 2 of this thread....and the lie he used to start this with me,http://www.femmefatalities.com/phpBB3/v ... a&start=15
Third post up from the bottom is a malicious lie.

KHP said: For whatever reason, you hated me long before I knew you hated me. I was told later that you did in fact hate me and you were going to put me out of business if it was the last thing you did. I don't know for a fact if those words are true but the actions of a few people who now show to be working with you and you tends to suggest they were. You have clearly singled me out for fighting. http://www.femmefatalities.com/phpBB3/v ... &start=105

The above is a malicious lie, laced with innuendo. Note: It was KHP that singled me out first by deliberately misrepresented what I said on page 2. I never told anyone that I hated KHP or wanted to bring his site down.

KHP states: Thanks to Jafa, written proof was given of what really happened which is exactly what I said happened. This to me is just more proof that you are one not to be trusted. I think you took a case that you clearly brought on yourself and turned it into this grand fight for freedom so as to get money from people to help pay for your defense fund. Not unlike televangelist.

KHP modified and toned down his position after April 2008. But several times alluded to the allegations in a manner that would lead someone to believe they were legitimate. When asked to prove they were legitimate he could not. Telling people I am not to be trusted is a deliberate attempt to sway people against me and not trust me. Then he accuses me of orchestrating this "grand Scheme" to get money out of people, and compares me to a televangelist. These statements are false, offensive, vexatious, and malicious.

BLUE: I ask you to read all exchanges from page 2 onward between me and KHP, but right now, please read all of this page including what you posted of John Matrix's comments from DS: http://www.femmefatalities.com/phpBB3/v ... &start=150

KHP said: Oh really! You're going to cut me some slack? Please! Well I'm not cutting you any. It's obvious there is no proof that the other allegations were false.

Sounds like a prejudicial assumption to me. There are people on here that believe stuff like this. That everyone on hear read the case history and missed the point that proves KHP to be wrong about how the charges came about should result in an apology from people, including KHP who started that nonsense for no other reason than to cast doubt on my character....as all of the above quotes are designed to do.

KHP said: As far as I can see from this, that is probably what pushed this into the court system. At that point, they would feel a serious need to shut you down because you would be considered a danger to children. Hence the investigation into your own children.

The above is laced with damaging innuendo and it is malicious. Ya know, if people jumped on KHP for making statements like these, I would not be here right now having to point out these things out in order to save my credibility. I told you Blue, the evidence is there and I'm just getting started.

KHP stated: You purposely left that portion out in all these years because you knew you would not get the sympathy from people for that. So you made this into something it never was. If anything complicated this it was your lies and omission of the facts in the case. You simply jumped to what they settled in on charging you with which was producing obscene material. How you got there, to you was not important. The fact is it is important. I would tell any one who decides to show their stuff to minors or even let them do editing would most likely face prosecution on one leave or another. Don't go blaming the entire legal system for your poor lack of good judgement.

In some conversations with Dennis on totally unrelated issues, he has told me that officials will go after some one whether or not they think they really did the crime just because they think the guy is bad and needs to be taken off the streets. If there are credible accusations as was reported on you, I can see how they would see that about you too. Police might say, "we don't believe his work is illegal but he's showing it to minors so something needs to be done." That is not a religious nut who would say that, it would be a cop who cares about his job. Until you show actual proof and not just your word as to whether or not these allegations held up, I am forced to believe they did hold up and is why they came gunning for you.

I can't help but notice your story keeps changing just a little bit each time I write something. Can't wait to hear the new changes to help fit the circumstance.


More lies, damaging innuendo, false assumptions, speculations designed to infect people's minds with prejudice concerning my character, and cause mental anguish, etc.
KHP states: Blue, I totally disagree with your assumptions that all accusations were found false because there was no mention of it in court. You know and I know that if this case was all about obscenity charges, those allegations would be considered prejedicial and not allowed in. Doesn't mean they don't exist. It's as I said, the allegations are what got it there. It is relevant that these issues got it there. It is very important for everone to know that when you put yourself in that position, just about anything is likely to happen. I think the very fact that it seems impossible to believe they would ever find this work to be obscene testifies to the fact they thought he showed it to minors. If they really believed he did show minors, it's very possible they did all this as their own form of justice but didn't not actually think they would win only that they made him go thru it all.

More deliberate lies, damaging innuendo, damaging speculations, reckless and callous statements about a case he knows very little about all done to infect people's minds with his poison and prejudice me in this community.

KHP stated: But message boards thrive on BS, not truth. I think what upsets people here is not anything I have said but the simple fact they know it to be true. I think a lot of you loved the preceived glamour of this case and it really let's all the hot air out when you find out what really happened. Not so glamorous any more.

Speaks for itself doesn't it? I get some support from people and he starts putting down the entire message board as thriving on BS. But the only BS has come from him.

KHP states: Looking at this another way, you say authorities would have found out about you any way because a ruthless gang of models got mad at you and called the police to see if you legit. I guess to make sure you weren't just some sleezy old guy trying to see a bunch of naked girls.

More lies, damaging innuendo, prejudicial statements. There was no ruthless gang of models. There was no complaints from models. Only one inquiry. One person gave a statement about her experience and it was all good about us.

KHP: in response to my comment in which I told him he should no what's in my videos because he seen them all he states:

And so have all the neighbor kids apparently! LOL J/K :)

Under different circumstances it might be a joke. But after a long battle of trying to straighten out the wake of misleading innuendos and out right lies made by him, it really is a sick joke.

I did not include accusations made about me by KHP such as "you insult everyone that disagrees with you" and "you call everyone names" and "you threaten and attack everyone" and "you don't have any respect for anyone" etc. All Bullshit.

I invite anyone to go back to page 2 here and read forward and see who was the most reasonable, respectful, and level headed, even under fire....and most important is who started it, because Blue invited me back many times over several months claiming KHP promises to lay off me and bury the hatchet....and with my first post,....wham....there he is putting words in my mouth saying I called John M's work trash.START YOUR RESEARCH HERE: http://www.femmefatalities.com/phpBB3/v ... a&start=15

Only a few people came at me with ignorant smart ass remarks...people who don't know me and who I don't know. They got the exact response from me they deserve. I respect everyone equally until they show disrespect first. That's the way I am and always have been.

[Dr Don]

Blue, If they were considered libelous, do you still have them?

Email them to me please, if you have them.