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Anymore views on our epic? :-)
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Couple initial things on the new Wondra vid. Overall, liked it a lot, so take any comments within that framework.

Thought the initial fight scene was well done. Much more involved than some of the other fights in ur vids. Liked Wondra winning and being so powerful. Then the two females show up both very hot. Personally, I like the redhead (Claire I think.) I didn't recognize the blonde as Deadkill. She might have been in other stuff by Blue, as I am not as familiar with all his older stuff. She was hot too. That brings me to my first comment...I did not like putting the mask on her. I get what you are doing with the character...to connect her with Mace and all. But to cover up half of a hot woman's face with a mask seems off to me. Didn't like that...thought you could have connected her to Mace in some other way.

Personally, I'd have preferred Wondra being taken down in the first fight in some other way than cloro. Again, I get why u did it. It's just I am not into the fetish elements like others on the board. So, while I get you need to satisfy your fan base, I find that whole thing a bit odd. Wouldd have preferred a choke hold or beat down between the two evil females on Wondra. Would have liked a little double teaming too. Like one hold Wondra in a choke hold and the other works her over. Thought the fight between Wondra and Deadkill was very good. One thing though, Wondra lands blow after blow on Deadkill and she takes them fairly well. Then Deadkill lands one punch on Wondra and she seems stunned. Perhaps it was Emma overselling it or the other actress not selling it but it seemed like only the one side showed the reactions. But again, like Wondra fighting an equal. Again, would have liked Claire to do more once she shows up rather than the cloroform only, that's just not my thing. Her being in the fighting would have been cool.

Really liked the back story and bringing is the Lex type character. I found it hard to understand Deadkill when she spoke. Again, I get what you are trying to do, just felt that between the covering up of her face and the speech, maybe a different direction would have been better.

On the second Dana scene, that was great. Loved Emma in the civilan outfit. The skirt and blouse was awesome. Emma's cleavage wans awesome. Emma's legs were awesome. I will say it looks like Emma isn't in quite the same shape as she was in the first vid. Not that she is not in good shape, but she was really cut and lean in the first Wondra vid and I thought her body was amazing. Here she is fuller and less defined (especially her thighs.)

One small thing, I liked the addition of the actual garrote. In past vids (like Supernova), you give the strangler a thin piece of cord of something and it always looked a bit cheap. This looked like an actual garrote and fit very well. Also really liked the Deadkill actress selling the strangle. Really looking to tighten the wire and using her hands in opposite directions to sell the force being used. Also, like that the last two (this vid and WA7) were girl on girl kills. While I want variety and some men doing some of the killing, having the females killed by other women is a personal fav. I think your best vids (this one, WA7, and Supernova) are in that category. Also, like the female villains being the henchwomen to the male master villains. Call me sexist but that is always hot. The powerful villainess taking down the heroine and then immediately being put in her place by the male master (think Kate Beckinsale in the most recent Total Recall.)

Liked Wondra in her 'mortal' form being killed. Her powerless was a good choice, similar to Supernova. Thought her strangle and neck break were well done and being laid out across the couch was a good choice. Obviously, it can be hard to find variety in the same type of scene so I thought this was well done. The neck break too. I like the whole grabbing the chin and twisting to break the neck (especially because it gives her a chance to beg before being killed) but the way you did it was new and different so I thought it was good. That was one of the things I didn't like in the previous Wondra vid, where she had her neck broken, seemed rushed and too quick. Better lead up in this one.

Really like that you guys are adding some continuity to ur vids. The tie in to Supernova and Darkwing and then showing up at the end was very cool. Each vid is sort of stand alone but there is also the thread thru them, very well done. Shows you guys want to do more than just some basic video like this. The quality of the actresses and costumes and story and thought that goes into the vids shows. I hope they are selling well because they are, IMO, some of the best types of this out there. One question, did you film the Xander scene specifically for this or was this shot when he did the Supernova ones? Just curious if you guys were planning this out that far back or did you decide to add him to this storyline recently?

I would prefer nudity but I get that Danica and Emma won't do that so I accept that. In my mind, the trade off is worth it. If they were two other actresses who I never heard of then I would say not, but for them, at least for now I would say so. I assume you are always looking for new 'talent'. Again, not sure if the Deadkill actress is brand new or not but (at least what I could see of her face) looks hot. Do you guys ever think of trying to mix in nudity with other actresses in the Wondra and Supernova vids? Or is it sort of a 'no nudity' policy on them because you don't wan't to scare off Emma and Danica? In either event, it would add but again, I get the situation and think with the vids as high quality as you are making them they don't absolutely have to have it for me to buy.

One thing I really liked in the WA7 vid, was Claire talking to Danica while she choked her. She seemed really into it and that was hot. Having more interaction during the fight and death scenes would be good I think (another reason why the Deadkill mask and voice bothered me a bit.) But having one fighter emphasize her punches when she speaks is always cool. Or having her taunt her victim before or during the kill is good. You do this in some vids, just saying it would be a nice touch in more.

Again, personally, I am not as big a fan of the whole tongue out thing so I thought Emma's death scene and stare was very well done. Danica's looked a bit weird in the last two WA's. Again, I know some guys are into that but it always looks off to me and the actresses rarely do it well. They tend to oversell it and it becomes comical with their tongue flailing about.

On a side note, personally I am not into the panty hose on the heroines outfits. I would like bare legs better. In fact, in the first Wondra and maybe some of the others, Emma had bare legs. Like that better, but again, I get some guys are really into that and you need certain fetish elements for your fan base.

Hope you find some of the above helpful. Really liked the vid. I'd rank this one #2 of the four Wondra vids, behind the first. This one was leaps and bounds beter in overall production quality but that one had a brutal beat down Wondra suffered by mace and Emma's tits and they cover up a lot of flaws. I'd also put this one in the upper ranks of the vids, along with the Alien Incursion vid.
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Hey Director B, I bought the 2 version pack from genre videos. I definitely enjoyed it. So once again, I will list some quick likes/dislikes. Remember, I have very narrow minded views on what I look for, so take it with a grain of salt, lol.

Likes:

1. Both of Emma's outfits were great.
2. Deadkill was pretty cool.
3. Once again, the banter between the two women was pretty good.
4. Emma did the eyerolls really well during the chloro scenes. Perhaps she could add that to some of the other moves, like strangles/chokes. Actually, that part right before the throat chop where she gets punched three times and twirls towards the camera looking stunned, perhaps a little roll of the eyes there would have been nice.
5. Speaking of the throat chop, that was awesome, and I liked the sounds she made afterwards as she clutched her throat (not sure if that was actually Emma doing the sounds, though. Looked more like a dubbing/voice over).
6. Also liked the little sound Emma made when Deadkill made that final tug to break her neck with the strangle cord. Also the little twitch Emma did at that part was good.

Dislikes:

1. In that pic you just posted that shows the first chloro KO, I would have liked to see Emma's legs/feet go limp, rather than being stiff and rigid like they are in that pic. For an example of what I mean, check out 9:40-9:43 of 'The Trap 2013 part 1'. The way Samantha (the actress in the catsuit) lets her legs go limp at that part is what I mean. It's just another sign that she has succumbed to the chloro/choke or whatever move she was fighting against.

2. I will mention body handling of some sort once again. Like after the initial chloro KO or the final death/KO, Deadkill could have grabbed Wondra under her arms, or by her wrists and dragged her off screen. This would give us a good shot of Wondra's limp body/legs being dragged across the ground. Basically, any sort of body manipulation post death would be welcome. This would have been especially welcome in this vid, because I kind of dislike KOs/deaths while the victim is sitting down (in this case on a couch), since they deprive me of a decent death pose on the ground. I knew it would be a sit down strangle before I bought the vid, though, so I can't really complain about it.

3. Emma kind of made heavy breathing sounds during both strangle sequences. Would have rather heard some gurgle/choke/gag noises at some point, just to change it up a bit. Like I said earlier, the sounds during the throat chop and the neck break were pretty good, but I am not sure if that was actually Emma doing them or if they were dubbed over (that's the vibe I got from them).

Anyway, like I said, I have very specific tastes and so does everyone else, so you can't really please us all with every vid. Still, just wanted to post my most truthful thoughts after watching the movie, rather than holding back. Oh, and if we get a vid where Wondra destroys both Supernova and Darkwing, that would be awesome. Maybe that would give you a chance to give at least one of the heroines a spread eagle death pose? hint hint? lol

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Just read the above feedback and it reminded me of a few additional things. So rather than add to the above, I will post separate.

On a business side note, I really like that you combine both versions of the vids in one on the GV site. Even if it is a bit more expensive, being able to buy both versions is nice. I always want to extreme (ie. death) version but in some of your vids you have entirely different kills in the peril. not sure about this one (haven't watched the peril version yet) but I know in other (like the Catwarrior) the peril version has a stabbing or some different type of end (although I have always wondered about how a stabbing right between the breasts can be a non-death version while a simple strangle is an extreme version.) I know I would have liked to see the other version but not really enough to spend the entire cost for the second vid again since 98% of it is the same. Along those lines, do you ever think of doing alternate endings? and by that I mean alternate kills? Like in one Wondra is strangled, then in another she is strangled and neck broken, then have a stabbing one and so on. Grouping them into one mega pack for more would be nice. You wouldn't even have to redo the entire film, just the lead up and kill. So, each of the additional vids would be much shorter. I know there is a lot more to filming and editing all that than I am aware of, just curious if you guys have considered that. I would pay more for a package of the main extreme vid plus 3-4 very short alternate endings.

Liked the throat chop a lot. Very different. Although, I will say that the way it was shot it looked more like a boob chop than a throat chop to me.

On the alluded too Wondra vs Supernova/Darkwing; any chance the viewers get to vote on who wins that fight? I guess you don't want to alienate half your viewers when their choice doesn't win, but that could be fun. And again, alternate endings where one dies in one vid and then the other dies in the alternate version would be spectacular.

Just some thoughts, take what you can from them.
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THE GOOD:
I did enjoy the video (to a certain extent) and the production standards were excellent and very professional. Emma in particular looked sexy in her civvies - loved her great legs in those boots.
Liked the dialogue - particularly the more sassy Wondra.
That said however, I still feel disappointed.
THE BAD
Yet another strangulation. I assumed that when you were canvassing ideas on here that you were intending to use some of them e.g 2 on 1 beat downs , failed bullets and bracelets sequence where Wondra is shot up, stabbings etc etc. But in the end we just got more of the same.
I'm also in the camp that doesn't like hose on a heroines legs. Why cover up her gorgeous flesh with material???
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Just watched that part again, and the first chop was to her throat, but the follow up chops looked like they were to her breasts/chest area.

I agree with dbud that short alternate endings would be amazing. I wouldn't mind seeing some of the sexy villainesses selling a good death scene either, but I think most would rather see the heroine lose. Regarding the Wondra vs Darkwing/Supernova vid, one ending where Wondra kills both of them and the other where Wondra herself loses (or better yet, Deadkill comes and annihilates all three, lol) would be awesome.

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Wow, lots to think about, will get back to you guys with my comments soon. Thank you for your thoughts.
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Rag82 wrote:Just watched that part again, and the first chop was to her throat, but the follow up chops looked like they were to her breasts/chest area.

I agree with dbud that short alternate endings would be amazing. I wouldn't mind seeing some of the sexy villainesses selling a good death scene either, but I think most would rather see the heroine lose. Regarding the Wondra vs Darkwing/Supernova vid, one ending where Wondra kills both of them and the other where Wondra herself loses (or better yet, Deadkill comes and annihilates all three, lol) would be awesome.

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Thanks for your feedback, guys. It is very much appreciated, and we do consider all of your comments. We have a very good creative team, and I sometimes get out-voted, because I have to listen to my creative people. I suggested that Deadkill's mask be torn off in the fight, but for various reasons, I was convinced that it would be better to keep her as a mystery villain... but I do agree that it is a shame to cover half of a hot girl's face, and she is very hot, believe me. I've seen her without the mask, and you'll see more of this actress in an upcoming Superheroine vid. ;-)

Our creative team will discuss your suggestions, and we'll see what we can come up with for the continuing saga of our Bluestone superheroines. If you keep buying, we'll keep producing and improving.

I'll let Director B cover the rest of your queries.

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I had to write this really fast as I have lots of things going on here so sorry about the bad grammar and spelling mistakes in advance.

OTS, if the story and section calls for it we will do it.

The Model playing Deadkill is new.

Deadkill and her mask, yes since only, so far, 5 to 6 people has commented on Deadkill’s mask, it stays for now her voice also, out of all the people who has brought the video only a few had a problem with her voice, most people understood what she was saying, but saying that we will try and improve on the sound quality on the next one.

We have big plans for Deadkill, this episode introduced her to the Bluestone super heroine world, not giving anything away all I can say she will lose the mask at one stage but that’s all I’m saying ☺

CU on Wondra’s eyes in the chloro scenes, the actress can only hold her eyes like this for so long. Some can do the eye fluttering some can’t; Emma had problems doing it. In other words with her, what you get is what you get.

The plan was to have a big fistfight between Wondra, Deadkill and Titania but on the day Emma was very unwell, so we shot around her and just about got the chloroform scene done before she started vomiting again. She is much better now.

Yes Deadkill is strong so a few punches from her does take Wondra by surprise but Dbud is right, Emma has done this kind of shooting before the Deadkill model on the other hand had not. So getting her to react the way we want her to wasn’t working, so we got what we got in the end.

Glad you liked our new garrote. ☺

The Xander scene was shot for this video; we always had plans for the Bluestone super heroines world to be one, crossovers and confrontations between our villains and heroines.

Sorry guys but there is a 'no nudity' policy in our videos, we will do topless from time to time but no full on nudity.

Having the villain talk to the heroine while killing or OK-ing them yes we will do more of.

The panty hose thing, sorry but I will not get into this, seen people lose their rag over this on other forums, all I can say was last the Wondra video we had bear legs, in this one we had Stocking, so we are trying to please people yet again, but please do not start up a debate on this, drop it now LOL!

Emma's legs/feet go limp, rather than being stiff and rigid, I have no call on that, most of models we use do not want people to see between their legs, remember we are not using porn stars who are comfortable with that. But saying that I will see what I can do in the future on this.

Body handling, only if the story and scene calls for it, and it makes sense, then it will be included.

Gurgle/choke/gag noises, Emma could not do that.

You’d like to see a show down between all three, (Wondra, Darkwing & Supernova), is that right?

Dbud, on the “On a business side note” I’ll let Blue answer that question.

angleman67, yes another strangle, there’s a huge demand for this, the problem with any death that involves blood is it takes time and time is always against us on the day. As I said support our videos so we can spend more money thus giving us more time or adding another shoot day.

The show down video and the future: A few more videos are planed before the show down video; they will all be connected to the story line that’s running, remember you have only seen one super fan which we call sidekicks, which was Superkick. She failed on her first test, got chloroformed and carried away by 2 thugs; we will see what happened to her soon. We also have a Cat Warrior video, starring Mink, that has yet to be edited, that also follows the story line of the show down video.

Yes we are doing a Marvel, and I’m psyched for what’s going to happen next. What is Xander up too, is Mace really his brother, is Mace dead, how is it that Xander is in jail yet still walking around free, how will Supernova and Darkwing get on, since there’s no love lost between them, what will the Evil Doctor do to Wondra and how different will she be when we see her next time? Will your fetish be included LOL!

How big is the Show Down video going to be? Now this all depends on sales on the next few vids, top models cost so it depends on your support. I’m not saying it won’t happen, what I’m saying is the quality and the scale of that episode is depended on sales of others. If you want it epic then suppose sales on the other bluestone super heroine videos. These videos cost and as Blue says the next video is not depended on sales as he produces theses videos because he loves doing them, but he will not throw away his money to make something if the support and fans are not there.

We know how fickle people can be; we also understand your frustration when you don’t get your fetish just how you want it. As we keep saying we can’t please everyone, there are a lot of Super heroine producers to choose from I’m sure one of the will hit your spot. Or not. ☹

We are focusing on story and we try our best to put the fetish elements in there but only if it works for the story, our aim is to be close to main stream TV shows, (within our budget), as possible but also give you what you don’t see in those kind of shows, that’s fetish elements.

By the way did you guys like our Batman shot, Wondra on the roof scene? Yeah you can talk about your fetish, chloroforming, strangling, legs being limp, etc, etc but what about our roof shot LOL!

Here wishing you all a very happy holidays and a super heroine new year! ☺
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Well I've just been watching it and absolutely loved it, well done Director B and BLuestone!! :clap:
Yeah I did have a problem with Deadkill's voice but it didn't detract from the production much and if anything it added to the hulking mystery of her.
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xj900uk wrote:Well I've just been watching it and absolutely loved it, well done Director B and BLuestone!! :clap:
Yeah I did have a problem with Deadkill's voice but it didn't detract from the production much and if anything it added to the hulking mystery of her.
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I don't post often, as I reserve it for important posts haha. Well I have read a lot of the feedback and agree with some and disagree with others, but I am going to keep my feedback relatively general, but still retain a bit of specificity. I am a very big fan of Claire, and would actually like to see her get strangled for a while then to have her turn the tables on the heroine. But overall liked the video a lot but do agree about the choking noises. Still... great stuff keep it up!
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dbud wrote:On a business side note... do you ever think of doing alternate endings? and by that I mean alternate kills? Like in one Wondra is strangled, then in another she is strangled and neck broken, then have a stabbing one and so on. Grouping them into one mega pack for more would be nice. You wouldn't even have to redo the entire film, just the lead up and kill. So, each of the additional vids would be much shorter. I know there is a lot more to filming and editing all that than I am aware of, just curious if you guys have considered that. I would pay more for a package of the main extreme vid plus 3-4 very short alternate endings...
Hey dbud, Director B left this one for me to answer, but he has already given the answer in a way... Time... the real super villain of the piece. As it is, we have to work very hard to get everything shot including two endings for the death and peril crowds. To add more would put us into a second day, which would double the cost, and there would still be no guaranty. As Director B mentioned, I sprang for an extra day on Wondra 4 just to make it the best video that we could, but Emma was violently ill on the second day. She was a trooper and worked as long as she could, but we had to scrap a bearhug, a shooting, and an enhancement to the neck snap that was shot on the first day. We really did try to add as many elements as we could, but it just doesn't always work out. So, many alternate endings just aren't in the cards at this point in time.

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I would like to see Deadkill again in another production, also wondering what she looks like without her face-mask on.
Another bad girl you should try to get in a future production is Deathkills real daughter, think her name is Raven but she has silvery white hair and an eye-patch. The way she is drawn in the comics is just something else entirely... :yes:
BTW hate to say it but I actually prefer Emma G in her civies than as her Wondra-guise, dunno why but she looks so unbelievably sexy in that get-up where she is either chloroformed or strangled (according to which version you watch!) :twisted: Her blouse in particular is quite fascinating, I was convinced she was going to burst out of it at any second!!!
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