To JohnM:

[Den-CnB]

"Injû gakuen: Shikima-kai no gyakushû" (1994)

Regarding your movie sample you were under pressure to take off DS, which I thought was very creative, here is one I posted with an explanation regarding 'School Girls' as it applies in the US and Japan and a 49 mb clip:
http://www.poisonedparadigm.com/board/v ... ?f=9&t=435

(Showing for about 10 minutes before this scene are these females in this clip in traditional and clearly High School outfits)

Dennis

[JohnM]

Hi Dennis,

Thanks for that. I have a pretty strange collection of Japanese Schoolgirl horror movies, but I need to get that one!!!

I was not expecting that sort of response. It had the effect of making me feel bad.

It put me on the spot of having to try to defend or explain a fetish.

I guess I should have thought it out before I posted. In all honestly, I just wanted to post something---I was stir crazy. After working on it for the last 8 or so hours, it was what I had.

JohnM

[Mkkb]

Hi Dennis,

Thanks for that. I have a pretty strange collection of Japanese Schoolgirl horror movies, but I need to get that one!!!

I was not expecting that sort of response. It had the effect of making me feel bad.

It put me on the spot of having to try to defend or explain a fetish.

I guess I should have thought it out before I posted. In all honestly, I just wanted to post something---I was stir crazy. After working on it for the last 8 or so hours, it was what I had.

JohnM

John,
Please don't feel bad about anything you created and post. There is no such thing as a Necrophilia fetish elitists. It may not be their style, but it certainly isn't anything more offensive than anything else around. Everyone's reaction was simply the way they perceived the sample. It was all interpretation. So, Schoolgirl is now an offensive term in the necrophilia world? Give me a break. The responses on DS were simply an overreaction. I don't think the opinions expressed over there were very thought out for that sample. Plus, Geno simply adds a degree of stupid to any thread which can send it spiraling out of control.
Personally, not my style either, but fine. Whatever. I can see where some may find the whole torture and such disturbing. I do too. It's a bit rough. For me, I think bondage is a bit disturbing, but yet, I love a great asphyx PKF.
So again, I think people who immediately responded didn't truly take time to think their response through before they posted.

[shootingmad]

JohnM,

I have seen the freebie (thanks by the way), and althought the theme is not within my likes (im into shootings/penetrations) I did find it a magnificent piece of art from a film making point of view.

I had seen "Naughty Schoolgirls" and albeit it was asphyx thing, I really liked the scenes and got turned on by it. I think it was the schoolgirl uniform, i am part of that "fetish community" if you wish.

I find it a little hipocritical from some people to critizise or condone this sort of works just because they dont like it. We, above all, should be a more perceptive group towards fetishes. To each their own. We dont like when outsiders see us as psychos or perverts, then why should we do the same to others?
For christ sake, the actress is +18, she is good to go. The disclaimer says the girl is 18, if you want to picture her like 13, or if you feel she is portrayed as a 13y girl then its your own problem.

I didnt personally conceive the actress as younger than she was. Others might have, but on the end, its just an adult playing a role. We might like it or we may not, but we shouldnt be so rude and derogatory to other people just because they like that, or because they produced that upon customer request.

Since we are on this, I just wish you did more shootings with schoolgirl themes, but hey thats for another time.

[JohnM]

Since we are on this, I just wish you did more shootings with schoolgirl themes, but hey thats for another time.

There is...
"Schoolgirl Massacre"
"Sleepover Massacre"
"Termination Training"
And I have several unedited with that theme as well.

Also coming soon, "Student Executions". That is my 11 girl line up. The theme is a bunch of students on a school trip captured and executed. I will probably make them collage students.

When you say, make more, do you mean--in the fetish schoolgirl uniforms, or just in casual, everyday clothes?

Thanks for your comments,
JohnM

[JohnM]

Paul and Mkkb--

Thanks for your comments. I try to do my best with whatever I am making. And, sometimes I go for shock. Literally. I was actually not planning to do effects on this--it takes hours. But, after watching it back, and it is 47 minutes of brutality, I knew I needed to put in the electricity effects. (I used welding sparks). After 2 hours doing that, I made my preview and put it up. I posted it on DS first, cause I get feedback faster. I had planned to post it all places. I was excited about my effects. So, that is why I was a little "shocked" by the reaction...so to speak.

But, that being said, I enjoy this and other forums and all the people I can reach that are interested in my products. I know I sometimes lose a few with what I do, but I hope for the most part, I am looked at as caring about my company, it's customers, and the movies I create.

Thanks,
John

[shootingmad]

I meant in schoolgirl uniform. I particularly like the skilts and white blouses, but im into the innocence factor being shot to death.

I have many ideas about stories, particularly a long one that could be divided into chapters with a main character developing through chapters, but usually are not very "doable" in this sort of films industry.

Too bad im not rich, otherwise I`d fund your films

[Max5s]

JohnM,

I haven't seen your video clip, so I can't address it specifically. I will say I have always felt that your work was very high quality even if the topic area wasn't my cup of tea.

So now that I hope I've made it clear that I'm not accusing you of anything, I want to make a comment about what Kelli said. I do think it is risky to portray young looking adults as underage subjects where certain sexual or violent activities include them. While the line drawn at 18 is somewhat arbitrary, some boundary should be established and 18 has become the "acceptable" age for designating a person as an adult in the US. Those of us who are responsible adults wouldn't think using an underage actor or actress in an erotic horror production, so why would we want to appeal to those who get off on watching the younger set (either perceived as younger or actually so)? I don't think we need that kind of clientele.

[bellystabs]

To John and Paul (where's George and Ringo?)

I don't have a schoolgirl fetish per se, but each of you made schoolgirl movies that I still watch. Paul, you made Coed Stabbed with Jamie early in my first membership. Wow! And I remember you said on your old forum that it was a top-rated movie for many months. And John, when you introduced Keely with Summer in Pledge Night, I bought a strangling movie for the first time in ages (Room Service was my first). It was terrific! I miss Keely and Summer and Jamie, so: Here's to the new school year! Keep up the good work.

[Nyghtfall]

I don't have a schoolgirl fetish per se, but each of you made schoolgirl movies that I still watch.

The issue isn't schoolgirls, it's schoolgirl costumes - the classic plaid mini-skirt, white button-up top, knee-high socks, and black sneakers or buckled shoes. The hair is also usually worn in pigtails to enhance the youthful appearance. The look doesn't necessarily suggest an attraction to minors, rather, the forbidden fruit of a young, virginal girl. The most common example is the Catholic School Girl, which typically represents the single greatest challenge for men who fantasize about deflowering young girls, thus turning them into women. The Catholic aspect is important because it suggests a promise the girl has made to God to save herself for marriage, which in turn enhances the fantasy.

Fetish videos like JohnM's "Pledge Night" can't be classified as schoolgirl themes because the costume is missing. Instead, what you've really got are just a couple of teenage girls who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, and wound up dead. The only difference between it, and... say... a Friday the 13th movie... is the graphic violence and postmortem rape scenes.

In other words, the costume is what makes the fantasy, not the age of the character being portrayed.

Personally, schoolgirl themes aren't my thing, either. I understand the interest in them, but I don't get them. I've just never felt that kind of impetus. The victims in my fantasies are always well-educated, successful, 30-something career women, so I tend to gravitate more toward producers who create material featuring older women playing parts appropriate for their age. As it stands, EWP and Psycho-Thrillers are the only two companies doing just that with any kind of regularity, and who manage to produce material that caters to my very specific fetishes. In fact, I've had an active membership with EWP since last December, when they started posting photosets in high-res (1900 x 1250). I'd even support Bluestone's Silk Videos more if the production quality of his work was a little more on par with the TV show that inspired him, even with a shoestring budget.

As for the preview clip that John posted, I watched it just so I'd know what all the fuss was about. Not surprisingly, it didn't do anything for me, but it didn't disturb me, either. I will say that I was mightily impressed with the vis-FX on the electricity. Very nice work there, John. ;)

In the end, it all comes down to taste. Like the old saying goes, "One man's garbage is another man's art." Frankly, as long as the models are all willing participants, are 18+, and the producer has the necessary records to satisfy all State and Federal laws, it doesn't bother me at all. I just won't buy any of it.

[Max5s]

In the end, it all comes down to taste. Like the old saying goes, "One man's garbage is another man's art." Frankly, as long as the models are all willing participants, are 18+, and the producer has the necessary records to satisfy all State and Federal laws, it doesn't bother me at all. I just won't buy any of it.

I'm afraid it does bother me. While it may be legal if the participants are all over 18, if I were a prosecutor or a shaper of public opinion against the erotic horror genre, I would find a video that suggested underage participation an easier vehicle for making my case than one where everyone is obviously a mature adult. Just look how quickly a large segment of the population jumped on the myth that Obama's health care legislation would install death panels for the elderly. Look at how fast the British Parliament passed legislation wiping out the "violent video" producers in the UK. Truth and reason were quickly overshadowed by emotional responses.

What I've stated above is my #2 reason for objecting to the practice of making adults look or appear to be minors. My primary reason was implied above. It gives the appearance of CP and may appeal to those who would invest in CP, and frankly I don't want to support that type of clientele.

[Den-CnB]

I want to be clear I am not making judgments on any producers in our community:

The video at http://www.poisonedparadigm.com/board/v ... ?f=9&t=435 the females were clearly wearing what I would think would be stereotypical school clothes, that are not shown in the clip posted.
However, having had custody of my daughter from 16 through 19 years old and seemingly along with her friends that seemed to be over at my home most of the time. These girls made every effort (which required very little) to dress for school and play to look in their early to mid twenties. As I found out, most had photo IDs showing their age in their early twenties so they could be served at bars. I also found out it was rare they were ever asked for IDs and served liquor in clubs and bars. I had many fights with them over this issue and several others....... since they were certain they were older, smarter and more experienced than me.

They never fit the criteria of looking like a school girl or even acting like one. I think at least in the US that will be the case for most girls in their mid teens and on.
Maybe girls in their preteens dress the part of the 'School Girl' look, and that is where I personally have problems. I view this type of dress that of a child under 13.

The video at http://www.poisonedparadigm.com/board/v ... ?f=9&t=435 were wearing what I would think would be school clothes for a child under 13 at least in the US. The video is legal in the US but I just took the clip section that is showing at the above URL since it looked adult. Then the video was then destroyed since I didn't want it in my house or computer and certainly never appeared on my site.

With my site and subject to being searched at any given time, I don't need the hassle or have to pay $5000 for an attorney to explain to the district attorney or a judge that the video is legal in the US. In my search for videos and even from some novice producers with models over 18 years old, I pass on anything that looks child like.

Regarding JohnM's video I didn't read the title, nor do I recall the actress wearing any clothes that seemed remarkable, then again they weren't on very long and I viewed her for about the age she is, in her early 20s. I frankly didn't fully understand the negative posts he got. I guess in my case if I read the title I may have viewed it differently but doubt it. It was clear to me it was very legal and I feel even a over zealous law enforcement officer would view it the same.

However, I do destroy videos where their ID is well over 18 if the female or male perp looks under 18 clothed or without clothes.
I have enough problems going on, like everyone else, the last thing I want is a new problem being hassled for something I would never Knowingly do nor have any interest, showing an underage appearing person.

Dennis

[kelli]

JohnM,

I haven't seen your video clip, so I can't address it specifically. I will say I have always felt that your work was very high quality even if the topic area wasn't my cup of tea.

So now that I hope I've made it clear that I'm not accusing you of anything, I want to make a comment about what Kelli said. I do think it is risky to portray young looking adults as underage subjects where certain sexual or violent activities include them. While the line drawn at 18 is somewhat arbitrary, some boundary should be established and 18 has become the "acceptable" age for designating a person as an adult in the US. Those of us who are responsible adults wouldn't think using an underage actor or actress in an erotic horror production, so why would we want to appeal to those who get off on watching the younger set (either perceived as younger or actually so)? I don't think we need that kind of clientele.

eggsactly, max.....isnt there enuff underage teen porno stuff on the internet without us unnecessarily associating ourselves with it? i really feel like a prude on this, but i just don't understand the huge fascination with schoolgirl porn. must be a guy thing.

[bellystabs]

John, thanks for your generosity in posting the Schoolgirl Basement preview. And thanks for your super generous PKF Showcase that you posted on the "Video and Image Share" forum! Over 300mb and over 30 minutes of pure enjoyment...Thanks!