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Den-CnB wrote:I wrote this post during the time Paul posted his statement. This is in no way is an answer to his comments.
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Two Items:
1) Not withstanding any history and setting it aside forever, John Matrix is John Matrix and he earns his position in our community under this name and no other names or events should be associated with this name. He earns his persona by his conduct under John Matrix only.
2) Not withstanding any history and setting it aside forever, Geno created a most brilliant forum with the right balance of dynamics in creating an extremely successful forum in DeadSkirts. It has all the elements of the best forum I have seen in keeping things measured from the civil to the absurd, creating controversy, and strong member and lurker interest, along with bringing to light well founded information. I do respect him for his accomplishments and mean him no harm.
He made a mistake on this forum and he has apologized. He knows or should know his basic posting boundaries on this forum from here on out. I would let him back on as the forum administrators feel appropriate and give him the full respect as any poster here.
All stated in my humble opinion,
Dennis
...There you have it....Dennis the voice of reason....
I happen to know that Geno has said some very nasty things about Dennis, mostly I think out of fear and misuderstading than anything else...and yet Dennis is willing to put the good of the community before any personal acts of vengeance.
Let's leave the acts of vengeange to us femme fatales and our killers in the world of erotic fantasy and move on from this particular soap opera.
I agree whole-heartedly with Dalila! Well said, Dennis!
This thread has been pruned of unrelated issues. Let's keep on track with the topic of this thread. Please feel free to voice further opinions on the topic in issue here. What does everyone else who have yet to post feel about the suspension issue being debated on this thread?
Blue
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I know that I've chimed in on this topic, but I wanted to share this:
From the 'Geno-I Commend You' thread from the DS All Topic Board
Posted by Geno
'So once again Bluestone, I ask you to drop your grudges, your suspensions, and you pay-backs, your roleplays, and lets get on track before this weekend. Otherwise, it appears I will not be posting any reviews, and no videos will be purchase by me from you. It does not look good, by sliencing me, like you are doing with ever protection in place.'
Coming from this guy these words are crap. Do what you will, but I think Geno is a cancer that needs to be excised.
Dalila di Capri wrote:Post Re: Member Geno's Suspension!
We have enough ridiculous enemies outside of our community.
We don't need to be at each other's throats within it.
Very well said.
I concur with this assessment. What has happened has happened. The man has made his apology and it has been accepted. Give him the chance to prove that he meant it.
On the other hand, if the personal attacks and insults recur, then Blue should come down hard on him.
Agree with Paul and Evilbilly, I won't be hanging around if Geno is allowed back on, have had enough of this soap opera for a lifetime, I'll be sticking with PP I think. It really defeats me how people keep defending the guy when, as we speak, he's making veiled threats on DS in case he's not allowed back on inside the 30 days, so much for an apology!
My thinking is that this genre is dominated by a clique of people, living out their dramas in public, just gets firmer. PP, at least, seems neutral in all this and, considering Geno's hatred of all things same sex, it's not something he'll tend to go near.
My hope is that the majority voting in this poll, who are making their vloices clear, are actually taken notice of.
I would normally stay far away from a discussion such as this, but since Blue asks what everyone who hasn't posted thinks about it, as a member of this community, I feel at least an attempt at a decent reply is in order.
First, when I first saw those arguments on DS as a lurker a few months ago, I couldn't believe what I was reading. If Geno is who I think he is, he has been around for a long time; back when Femme Fatales first began, back in the good old days when I enjoyed reading his posts. Beginning a couple of months ago, I would see things Blue said, then Paul said, then Geno said, then other names I don't recall said. I couldn't believe what I was reading. My thoughts were: "Blue would never say that; Paul would never say that; what Geno is saying doesn't make any sense." The next weekend I'd lurk again. Then they seemed to be saying something totally contradictory to what they said before. And Geno would sound like he had gone off the deep end, his sentence structure not making sense but everybody seeming to understand what he was saying and arguing with him. My impression was that the board was hacked and things were being posted by someone else under another person's screen name, editing and deleting posts at will, and that everybody was just ranting and arguing aimlessly, having lost sight of what they were arguing about. It seemed to me that it had become nothing but a huge personality conflict gotten really out of hand. I observed some of this affair carry into this forum, but didn't follow it at all, ignoring it completely. (For instance, I haven't read a single post in that "flame wars" thread.) I had second thoughts abort re-joining any of these forums out of fear of the board being hacked or someone posting under other user names or the posts being edited with sinister intent to stir up trouble. I didn't follow any of these threads very closely, certainly not enough to assign blame as to who started what. I had no desire to get involved.
Second, after reading what Evilbilly pointed out about some of the sentence structure of Geno's apology post (which I felt something was wrong with when I first read the original post but couldn't put my finger on it), I think there is cause for concern, and that this issue should indeed be debated at length, especially by those who followed the threads closely and have known Geno over the years and are more familiar with threads involved. If and when Geno returns, I'm sure there will be lingering animosity that could be potentially detrimental to the board's health unless everyone shows strong compassion and avoids temptation towards anger and resentment--which could prove difficult if not impossible for some.
Third, on the other hand, my gut instinct is to abide by the opinions of Den and Dalila in their well-stated comments. Their words are words of wisdom and should be kept in mind. This is the approach I feel is morally appropriate. I would love to hear them chime in some more about this. But when I read the emphatic threats from some about leaving if Geno returns, I become very concerned. My concern about these valued members leaving may be stronger than my concern about what is morally appropriate.
I'm not saying anything definitive one way or the other, because I don't have all the facts and am not qualified to offer a valid opinion. (Despite my being around these parts for a long time, I haven't closely followed everything in the threads over the years.) Nor am I particularly interested in knowing all the facts or in participating in a blame game of any sort. My feelings must remain somewhat ambiguous (so typical of me, lol). I would rather not get involved in this any more than what I say (or don't say, lol) in this post.
In conclusion, I will abide by the administrators' of this board's final decisions based upon their knowledge of the facts and knowledge of how members feel, as well as what the majority says (without question or hard feelings on my part), whatever that turns out to be. My personal preference is for compassionate leniency, hoping that ideally Geno would return without it being a problem for the community, that everyone would be forgiving and give him another chance. However, his very presence here could be a problem based upon hard feelings over what happened. I would hope that they could resist those feelings, and all would go well. On the other hand, I would feel sad but I wouldn't object if this issue goes so far as for him to be permanently banned out of concern for this community. I feel the administrators know what they are doing, because they know more of the facts regarding the situation and know better what members feel than I do. I feel I've known the administrators of this forum (both G-Man and Bluestone) long enough and well enough to trust their judgment and handling of this situation no matter what the outcome.
I'd much rather spend my time shopping for clips, writing reviews, and discussing fantasy,origins of fantasies, fantasy preferences, film technique, or stories rather than composing posts such as this. I've spent well over two hours on this post and find myself incapable of adequately approaching this subject. I wanted to spend this time re-viewing and reviewing two of the newest fine clips from Blue and Paul, but now that will have to wait until a later date. Despite not clearly expressing a strong opinion one way or the other, these words will be my last about this matter. (However, I will participate in any future polls regarding anything forthcoming related to this issue or similar issues and base my votes upon other members' input.)
PS. Thank you, Big O and Evilbilly for contributing some humor to this thread, lol. Now I don't feel as somber as I paste in my pre-composed remarks.
With 25 votes this hardly seems worth it.
AND
There is no option for immediate re-instatement.
Why not:
Thats where my vote would go.
Otherwise, I can't vote....with fairness after all things are considered.
All things considered, Geno was abused and pushed over the edge.
That is why he should get a break, and then be left alone.
Eveyone should stop the cyber bullying and cut the threats.
I recieved another one today from a FF member.
Paul-KHP wrote:I agree 110%. In fact if he is let back on FF, I'm gone and for good this time. Allowing that and people to have two identities on here to attack people is unacceptible.
Paul you know that I have a great deal of respect for your work because I have said so privately and publically.
You and I at one point were both carried by CnB and we were each in our own way able to offer something of high quality on our own sites as well as on Dennis' site. We never had any kind of rivalry in terms of business and offered in many ways opposite sides of a similar fantasy:
Highly Realistic Snuff versus Highly Glamorous Erotic Horror
The last thing that I would want to see is anyone cause you not to be a member of a forum where you input is welcome and needed.
What a shame and loss it would be for you to decide to leave this site just because Geno would perhaps be allowed to post here every now and then.
As I said before Geno has insulted me as well. Just last week he questioned my sanity...some years ago he questioned whether I was actually a man with a beard down to my belly
(some photos of me ended that speculation!!) At the same time I often receive kind personal emails from him and am always complimented for my acting even though he despises the use of extensive stage blood.
I have as I said before learned to take each of his comments into consideration... I address the ones that I think make sense and ignore the ones that don't.
I really hope that you will do the same.
Stay regardless, because that would be best for the community.
sorry but Geno has been around a long time and knows the score, because he can do what he likes on his own board, he thinks he is untouchable. His last outburst was totally unacceptable. He should be banned for life. even now while he is banned he is splitting up this board. BANNED HIM AND FORGET HIM.
Paul-KHP wrote:You are so full of it. Geno is the abuser. So far, you seem to be the only person who seems to think otherwise. I wonder why that is?
Because I know other people just like you, and I know what you did to me and others.
Your cyber bullying must cease, otherwise this community will continue getting black eyes.
Geno is not fully responsible. You have caused him stress and anxiety. This leads to mental anguish and personality changes. You have caused me stress and anxiety. It's less than two days since my second post on this site and I am sick of you.
