Misunderstood Again!!!

[Bluestone]

Hey All,

A member recently sent me this link when searching for Femme Fatalities:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 315AAz6rUF

I would suggest that no one here responds to these posts, so as not to bring unwarranted attention to this site; however, I'm very much interested in members' reactions to these posts.

It appears that we are very misunderstood by the world at large. Does this bother you? Does it concern you? I don't think we can be lynched in cyber-space

Of course, we are no more dangerous than a kid with a cap gun, and probably less so, but that does not appear to be the perception of the shoot-from-the-hip general public

Blue

[Max5s]

Actually I'm not surprised by any of the comments made, good or bad. When I see some of the material produced in this niche area, my reactions are the same as theirs, that is-"That's sick." In a sense, it's the pot calling the kettle black, but we all have our likes and dislikes. The fact that there are as many shades of gray in this issue within our "group" should be a bigger surprise to outsiders than the observation that, "These people enjoy watching depictions of women being killed".

[Dalila di Capri]

This is complete nonsense!!

I have spoken over the phone with Paul...Tommygun...Shelby from the old necro babes sites and find them all to be perfectly well balanced gentlemen.

Dennis is a a very close personal friend and I have no doubt would defend me against any real violence that may come my way...He in fact defended me against a rather aggressive fan/producer when I was starting out.

I have also spoken and YIM chatted with a number of my fans...to a person they have all deplored the acts of real violence against women. Even Geno has been one of the most staunch defenders of women insofar as real violence.

You know who was really violent and sick? The fellow who stabbed me in RL...

I doubt that he was a fan of our material. He just wanted to hurt me.

The idiots jumping on the band wagon talking about how horrible this is are saying because they are playing it safe. "OH how horrible" they say while they secretly wonder how it feels to take a knife to the gut. What hypocrits!

What however do they want to say about me: A survivor of a near fatal stabbing who also enjoys fantasy death scenes. Am I a twisted weak servant for the rest of you? Hardly.

I willingly make the material I do because I LIKE IT. Does that mean that I too have no life or that I am 'disgusting"?

I reject such a notion. I am hot blooded to be sure...but disugusting...not at all.

Believe it or not boys I am a deeply religious person.

My God said "Judge not lest ye be judged". I don't presume to judge you...and I know that you don't presume to judge me.

These others presume to judge us...but what are they doing? Gossiping, trashing reputations...throwing stones?

What is Paul by comparison doing? Putting out first rate special effects so that you can enjoy FANTSY death scenes.

What am I doing??The same thing as an actress.

What now..Are we to call Hitchcock or Peckinpaw (sp?) sick because of the violence in their films.

This makes my Middle Eastern Blood boil when I hear such things!!!

Blue your site is anythig but sick. It is a friendly place wherein people can speak openly about daring fantasies...

Baci

[Nightposter]

Given the fact that most of those posts ( what 10-12 in total?) are almost 5 months old, I really wouldn't worry. The whole "BS" thing that blew up at a couple of other boards, was far worse that this.

Anyone who visited the site could see that we love our ladies, and don't really want to see them hurt. ( because if they do, they won't want to play for us again!)

In my past I had the chance to play with a couple of great role players. Mostly the scenes we played ( and later I drew) were THEIR ideas.
This weekend, 20 years ago, one of my playmates passed away in a car accident... I still have the scenes she wrote, some of them have been posted as stories (one here) and to this day, I still mourn her.

We all know real death is not sexy, it's not pretty, I know, I have seen the real results of a head shot, a hanging, and a strangulation when I was a first responder. I had to identify my playmate after the accident, that image still haunts me.

Our fantasies are just that, pretty girls meeting their end, we all know they get up and do it again later, and we love them for it

[Bluestone]

Wonderful comments so far, but I don't want anybody to think that I started this thread because I was personally concerned about these comments. I was, however, interested in other members' thoughts on how we are perceived by the world at large. I am a very well-adjusted person who shares the same God with Dalila, who has instructed us not to judge others, lest we be judged. This is indeed a friendly place peopled by some of the most intelligent, caring, and non-violent people in this community. I guess it is because we get all of our anti-social tendencies out of our system in the form of harmless fantasy role-play material.

Personally, as a producer, I've worked with people who don't share my fantasies. They understand me, and they trust me. Both Suzi and Petra have filmed alone with me without fear of me actually trying to hurt them. They know I never will. One of my actresses has a non-necro stalker who has threatened her life on numerous occasions. Who do you think she'd rather share a dark alley with... me or that non-necro stalker?

Blue

[CapgunChuck]

This indeed bothers me. I hate to see anything mentioned about our interest on a mainstream site. I've been afraid ever since I discovered online there were others like me that access to our communities will be taken away by ignorance, that the media may get hold of this and run with it, stirring up a controversy which will result in the powerful institutions of ignorance, particularly in the U.S., which is more ruled by Dark Age ignorance rather than wisdom, underhandedly censoring access to this interest entirely or establishing federal laws against it. It is essential that everything possible is done to avoid attention being drawn to us while not being so hidden underground that we can't be found by others like us. When the media gets hold of this, forget it; it's over.

CC

[Nightposter]

A comment about men vs women violence on Tv...
I used to watch TJ Hooker, hoping that officer Stacy Sheridan (Heather Locklear) would gert into the same fights as the male cops.... no such luck the male cops would get into extended knock down drag out fights, but Officer Sheridan? knocked out, or shot, short and quick. Our prayers were somewhat answered when she was taken hostage by bank robbers, but then she was bundled up in her oversized jacket for that scene.

On the women's cable channels, the movies there seem to show more violence against women than mainstream tv, Why? well if my past experience in role play is any indication, and sales of those "Harlequin romance novels" is an indication, I think a lot of women secretly have a desire to be a damsel in distress.

Paul, you are right, for the most part, we are not doing anything that can't already be seen
on TV or cable, we just make it longer, and don't hide it in the dark.

[CapgunChuck]

Paul,
Thanks for the comforting input, Paul. You bring up several good points. I would like to believe you are correct in all your points. Perhaps I do give the media too much credit. Perhaps I am a little too cynical. But I believe ignorance pervades over wisdom in most of the world, especially in the U.S. I feel you are right that the media has so far found the subject boring; I believe this may have been a saving grace for us at least for the past 10 years. But all it would take is one incident in which a celebrity is killed and a computer containing this kind of material found anywhere near the crime scene (or one influential individual who finds it distasteful becoming aware of it), and the media would be all over it, associating what was found on the computer with the crime, subtly implying (deliberately or inadvertently) such material is to blame. Think about it. It's not the media in particular I fear, it's what those entities out to influence public opinion and outspoken individuals who don't understand would do with the news story if it got major attention. The true harmlessness of this interest would be shoved into the background and never be in the spotlight as ignorant rumors spread like wildfire. Mainstream entertainment wouldn't be affected, because it's too big and powerful. But the smaller guys could be adversely affected. They always go after the small guys first and large corporations remain unscathed. Note how many comments on that Yahoo Answer board were totally negative based upon ignorance. Imagine the impact of such an overwhelming number of negative comments on major news sites and in newspaper editorials. I hope I am wrong. But I do believe the possibility lurks in the background that any undue attention brought to the public about this interest is dangerous for this interest. I'm not overly worried this will happen, but I acknowledge it as a real possibility. Any time I see something like what was posted on that Yahoo forum, some concern about this possibility arises.

CC

[Bluestone]

2012 ??? Oh no, I'm packin' up my worldly possessions and heading to Mars without further delay. I hear they found snow there. I should feel right at home

Seriously, Paul is right that the media believes in the 15 minutes of fame rule, and, if our sites were featured for 15 minutes on national TV, there would be thousands of ghouls and/or latent fetishers who would flock to our sites, buying up all of this stuff that they never knew existed.

I talked on another thread today about an on-line writer's group and about the Prof. In addition to the Prof, there was another writer who had an article published in an on-line magazine, and wanted his cyber-friends to read it. I think I shared this on FF a while ago. When I went to the magazine's site, I was blown away by the headline (NOT my friend's article) which screamed to my latent necro brain. The headline was "Do You Like Dead Chicks?" Why, yes I did... and dying ones too That was my introduction to this community. Links there took me to G-Man's Fatal Females site. The person who had researched this article thought it a strange sub-culture, and thus the tongue-in-cheek title. So, did I complain to the media and authorities that these sites existed? No! I praised God, and jumped right in!!! :idea:

So, articles about our community and genre are not always met with negative effects. Long after that cyber-magazine was replaced by the following month's issue, all of the 'normal' people had forgotten this strange genre, but it had changed my life forever!

Blue

[CapgunChuck]

Thank all of you for convincing me my fear regarding this issue is unfounded, especially Paul and Blue. Well spoken.

BTW, I don't believe a word of this nonsense about 2012, lol.

CC

[JamesS]

Some need to feel offended, particularly if they do not have to think about it.

[Dalila di Capri]

I perform regularly in the most violent socially acceptable form of entertainment known to man:
Opera.

You cannot call what Paul, Blue, John M, Hank S and I all do in cinema "sick" and yet permit Verdi and Puccini to continue to murder their leading ladies as they have for the past 150 years.

The same goes for the fans. Who is more twisted? The fan who orders a few KHP belly stab films or the opera fan who can't wait to see Carmen get what's coming to her?

The answer is neither.

I did the death scene from "Carmen" in a special closed performance for the Mayor of Las Vegas. (On stage, with a retractable knife...and no blood for those who think I need the blood to do a proper scene!)
You know what he was thinking about when he came to greet me? Sex, that's what.

So is the mayor sick? No. He is a normal red blooded man and he understands the link between a dagger and a penis. It doesn't take a guy with a fetish to understand that!!

So yes Chuck. There is not much to worry about...but there is MUCH to scorn.

These people who say we are sick are idiots and hypocrits.

To hell with them, and have fun here

Baci

[JamesS]

[elsullo]

I wonder if any scholar has ever analyzed the works of Shakespeare regarding necrphilia and a fascination with female demise? Most of the dramas I can think of involve characters killing or dying or being held and caressed while dead. Dead lovers spend quite a bit of time on stage! Remember poor Juliet, who ipmaled herself on dead Romeo's "dagger" when she could not "get a rise" out of him?

Then again, there are all of the Greek tragedies and legends. Lots of heroes stabbing each other and hanging their females, and alienated heroines hanging themselves in remorse. The drama of passionate lovers POSSESSING each other's very LIVES is as old as human arts and literature. Our kinky little passion fantasies might be said to be simple human nature....................elsullo

[John Matrix]

The public misrepresents this community, or at least a good part of it. No one that I am aware of enjoys seeing beautiful women being killed. That is the number one misconception and misrepresentation by these people. It's a flat out lie.

No one is being killed. This is role play with no actual acts of violence. These are made with performers. Women have the right to perform, and film makers have the right to make films.