Misunderstood Again!!!

[JamesS]

Some need to feel offended, particularly if they do not have to think about it.

[Dalila di Capri]

I perform regularly in the most violent socially acceptable form of entertainment known to man:
Opera.

You cannot call what Paul, Blue, John M, Hank S and I all do in cinema "sick" and yet permit Verdi and Puccini to continue to murder their leading ladies as they have for the past 150 years.

The same goes for the fans. Who is more twisted? The fan who orders a few KHP belly stab films or the opera fan who can't wait to see Carmen get what's coming to her?

The answer is neither.

I did the death scene from "Carmen" in a special closed performance for the Mayor of Las Vegas. (On stage, with a retractable knife...and no blood for those who think I need the blood to do a proper scene!)
You know what he was thinking about when he came to greet me? Sex, that's what.

So is the mayor sick? No. He is a normal red blooded man and he understands the link between a dagger and a penis. It doesn't take a guy with a fetish to understand that!!

So yes Chuck. There is not much to worry about...but there is MUCH to scorn.

These people who say we are sick are idiots and hypocrits.

To hell with them, and have fun here

Baci

[JamesS]

[elsullo]

I wonder if any scholar has ever analyzed the works of Shakespeare regarding necrphilia and a fascination with female demise? Most of the dramas I can think of involve characters killing or dying or being held and caressed while dead. Dead lovers spend quite a bit of time on stage! Remember poor Juliet, who ipmaled herself on dead Romeo's "dagger" when she could not "get a rise" out of him?

Then again, there are all of the Greek tragedies and legends. Lots of heroes stabbing each other and hanging their females, and alienated heroines hanging themselves in remorse. The drama of passionate lovers POSSESSING each other's very LIVES is as old as human arts and literature. Our kinky little passion fantasies might be said to be simple human nature....................elsullo

[John Matrix]

The public misrepresents this community, or at least a good part of it. No one that I am aware of enjoys seeing beautiful women being killed. That is the number one misconception and misrepresentation by these people. It's a flat out lie.

No one is being killed. This is role play with no actual acts of violence. These are made with performers. Women have the right to perform, and film makers have the right to make films.

[JamesS]

Much comes from looking for a "reason" for violent crime that one can "solve." It has to be a simple and inexpensive solution, of course. Violent television, movies, rock 'n roll, whatever. Part of it may be a sincere desire to prevent crimes and protect victims.

Something becomes a pathology when it harms the person or someone else.

I knew a gal, and I am sure others have known of girls, who have rape fantasies. There are girls who contribute who have violent death fantasies. These are NOT rape, nor violent death. That is the critical distinction of course.

So I think one has to ask a few questions. When bored discussing religion and politics, ask people if there is someone thy know that, if they could get away with it, they would murder. Many will "fantasize" but if you question specifically, most will discard "the boss," "the guy who scratched my car" if you make it clear the person has to actually kill them.

A few will know an "evil person"--a sociopath. Someone who molested children for example. Stop the conversation at this point.

For those in a fetish community, ask yourselves if you had the opportunity to, say, act out a fantasy in, say Blue or Paul's videos. I am sure many would literally jump at the chance. I am sure some have "rolled played" with partners. Some might not even mind Suzi or Britton shooting back!

Now consider would you do it if it was real? First ask if the victim was a consenting or desiring victim like in some fantasy video--"yes, would you please _____ me."

Okay, if it is still a fantasy where, by some magic, the victim is whole again some might wonder, but I wager it would be very few. Most simply cannot inflict pain, suffering, and more on another person who does not in some way deserve it.

Such people are "normal" in that they do not act nor wish to act in a way that harms another. Period.

If someone answers yes, I think you have the beginning of a problem. You have a lack of empathy for another. You are entering sociopathy. Oh you can try to argue that the "victim wanted it," but it really is not an excuse.

That is the difference: fetishers are interested in the fantasy. At the end, everyone get up, makes coffee, some have a cigarette, and all go home. I think most fetishers would find the actual act disgusting unless it was justified--in which case you are in the military/police and Suzi and Britton are not the ones coming over the hill at you! You are defending yourself or family.

To go further, question if someone could get away with it would they "do it" to an unwilling victim. This is reality. Those who answer "yes" are sociopaths and are either serial killers, or would be if they did not fear getting caught. Frankly, I believe the community stopped answering "yes" once it was no longer a fantasy.

Unfortunately, those outside of a fetish see the serial killers, the rapists, and think they STARTED with the "fantasy."

They did. It was a different fantasy: it was the desire for it to be real. I do not want this real. I mean, come on! Many want models to act as if they are having an orgasm worthy of a porno film as they are dying! That is not reality! One member mentioned part of her fantasies is having sex after being stabbed.

But those outside do not see the difference between the desire for fantasy and the sociopathic drive for reality. It is as simple as someone who fantasizes being a "multi-national jewel thief" and a theif.

Take heart. I think most who have this fetish/fantasy have examined themselves wondering "why?" They answered the questions and the fact they are behind a computer and discussing it rather than in jail or committing crimes is because they are empathetic and, in that way, "normal."

Amongst those outside are the sociopaths. Some who point a finger point it for a very dark reason. To hide.

So you are all normal.

Except for you lot who dress up in furry costumes. You are just sickos!

[Rue Morgue]

The posts I read are all 5 months old. To reply to them on that particular forum would be digging up a buried hatchet.

"Normal" has two definitions:
1. The setting on a clothes dryer

2. A societal consensus opinion on what is "OK". We humans are a very interesting species. Far too many of us are not secure enough in our own skins and only find comfort in sticking with the pack. So, anybody who is "different" tends to be put down, or even destroyed by the rest of the insecure pack, just for being "different". Far as I know, it's been that way for all of recorded history.

The farther from normal that an individual or a group gets (if they are smaller than the rest of the pack) the greater the likelyhood of being attacked. The more extreme our group becomes, the greater the chance that the rest of the pack (the larger group) is going to attack or even attempt to destroy us. It is certainly something that we need to be aware of. On the one hand, we should not be "judgemental" of the work of others in our small group. On the other hand, if the work of others gets too many standard deviations from what the larger pack deems "normal" then it's easier for them to attack our small "pack". I.E. this community is a "pack" within a the larger pack that is society.

My take is that we are better off, since we are a "closet community", to try and fly under the radar.